KVR Audio

reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:42 am

Ben H wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:16 am I'm hearing "new subscription-based model"

AB-SO-LUTELY!!!!!!!

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:54 am

glokraw wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:49 amNative Access not allowing users the choice to hold off on an update, is bad luck.

What? NA lets you put off updates forever if you want. I have to open it to find out if I have any updates available, AFAIK there is no auto-update.

U-he don't need 'Urs Access', you'd think the rest of Berlin's coders would take the hint.

I think utilities like NA are the best way to keep on top of all that krap. Having recently migrated all my stuff across to a new laptop, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that getting my NI stuff set-up was far and away the easiest part of it, despite my having 5 times more NI things than anything else. All I had to do was install NA, sign in, choose what to install, set it off and go to bed. In the morning I had a few hundred gigs of content and dozens of applications and plugins installed, authorised and ready to go. It even installed my Output Kontakt stuff. OTOH, it took me ages to find the email with my U-He serial no.s so I could get Hive and the RePros working. Even iLok was less hassle.

yehboy1 · Post by **yehboy1** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:02 am

BONES wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:54 am
glokraw wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:49 amNative Access not allowing users the choice to hold off on an update, is bad luck.
What? NA lets you put off updates forever if you want. I have to open it to find out if I have any updates available, AFAIK there is no auto-update.
U-he don't need 'Urs Access', you'd think the rest of Berlin's coders would take the hint.
I think utilities like NA are the best way to keep on top of all that krap. Having recently migrated all my stuff across to a new laptop, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that getting my NI stuff set-up was far and away the easiest part of it, despite my having 5 times more NI things than anything else. All I had to do was install NA, sign in, choose what to install, set it off and go to bed. In the morning I had a few hundred gigs of content and dozens of applications and plugins installed, authorised and ready to go. It even installed my Output Kontakt stuff. OTOH, it took me ages to find the email with my U-He serial no.s so I could get Hive and the RePros working. Even iLok was less hassle.

OK

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:05 am

Onkey Donkey

reggie1979 · Post by **reggie1979** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:18 am

at the play off OK.

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:26 am

So its a subscription? How would that work? Integrating all products in one? I'm confused

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:30 am

BONES wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:54 am
glokraw wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:49 amNative Access not allowing users the choice to hold off on an update, is bad luck.
What? NA lets you put off updates forever if you want.

Poor wording on my part

It was Native Access itself
that auto-updated without warning, and the updated version refused to
launch, as did it's successor. Had no problem with Native Access until then,
as you say, all content and serials displayed, even an item
that gave me a nice discount, which I had been unaware of.
Pretty sure it's win7 mud-wrestling vcrun C++ redistributables,
or a rare .net fuster cluck. Cheaper to hit the tech-recycler
for a win 10 box just for NI, than burning daylight to sort the NA mess,
as competing brands install/account managers all still work fine,
AIR, Izotope, IK, KV331. You could email yourself an encrypted doc
with your important serials, saved in the cloud for a rainy day...
Cheers

yehboy1 · Post by **yehboy1** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:33 am

Will there be an entertaining forum meltdown if and when NI goes subscription?

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:34 am

Touch The Universe wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:26 am So its a subscription? How would that work? Integrating all products in one? I'm confused

On demand, Kontrol will have every plugin and sample pack, you will pay to use what you use, NI management are complete gimps, the never ending beta version of Maschine with user requested features that got developed then cancelled showed that.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:41 am

Touch The Universe wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:26 am So its a subscription? How would that work? Integrating all products in one? I'm confused

Komplete is already a tiered system, just set the rental prices for each tier,
and let people pick and choose which tier for a given time frame...
a month where you have a high-roller client or project with extraordinary needs, you rent Komplete Ultimate Max Forever, when the situation changes toward
more modest means, rent the cheaper Komplete Trailer Trash version.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:43 am

Meanwhile,that Mississippi Delta musician is strumming away on his acoustic guitar and singing....

"Gonna put Kontrol where the sun don't shine"

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:00 am

Looks like they want to create one product, merging what they call there core products, into this thing, so they don't have developers spread out focusing on kontakt, reaktor, massive, etc. This one product will merge this stuff into one, so that would have to be something crazy like a merge between reaktor and kontakt, something like Halion. and the rest of the stuff will simply be forgotten. Then, they'll have hundreds of people focusing on this thing. Will Traktor itself be consumed by "Kontrol"? If so, it better have the capability not be tied down with needless bloat, kept light as possible for DJ'ing.

This doesn't sound like a bad idea if this new thing they're making kicks ass. But what about massive X? Will that be relegated to being a module in Kontrol or simply dropped? What about the other synths? I'm sure we can all agree, they haven't been the core products for awhile, so I guess tough luck there

It's looking like NI will be Kontaktor and further development will all be soundsets and loops, merging the offering from sounds.com, maybe it'll also be turned into a sample cloud capabilities. 3rd party vsti's sounds like a no go, so at best, more reaktor like synth releases.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:04 am

If it weren't for the fact that I had so many kontakt libraries of interesting instruments and that I still love Maschine so much, I'd probably ditch NI altogether. If Bitwig ever gets the snapshot system of Maschine that might get me to ditch Maschine, not sure yet. But Kontakt would be brutal to let go of. I do hope NI turn things around and become innovative again but I've been losing confidence for some time. Certain design decisions, like Komplete Kontrol having these nice big screens and yet they can't have a way to jump directly to a parameter page, showing the page name, just makes me think people are designing these things that don't actually use them at all. Did nobody in the whole company say "You know maybe people won't want to press a button 30 times to get to the page they need". Oh well.

Forgotten · Post by **Forgotten** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:08 am

If they're trimming things down, I wonder how that will affect less popular products or the ones with an older codebase that has yet to be brought in line with some of their more recent software?

I would assume they're at least giving some thought about rationalizing their product line.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:21 am

glokraw wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:30 amwith your important serials, saved in the cloud for a rainy day...

Yeah, I had been doing that for years but keeping it up to date was a big a pain in the arse. Interestingly, it was when we bought our Maschines that I decided to stop screwing around with it and just keep all the emails with authorisations and serial no.s instead.

Native Instruments Layoffs?