Best Neve preamp/eq vst?
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- KVRAF
- 6990 posts since 16 Aug, 2017 from UK
Care to elaborate?Igro wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:17 pm Presonus Studio One has a Neve emulation. I'm using it on kicks and it does wonders.
Mix FX?
Fat channel eq? (not sure if this emulates the harmonics)
Here's another N-TEN-AT4 VST Vintage Console Channel Strip Plug-In Suite it has high latency. 1084, not 1073, same pre, better EQ.
Demo available.
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- KVRAF
- 5544 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
Fat channel.The Noodlist wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:37 pmCare to elaborate?Igro wrote: Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:17 pm Presonus Studio One has a Neve emulation. I'm using it on kicks and it does wonders.
Mix FX?
Fat channel eq? (not sure if this emulates the harmonics)
Here's another N-TEN-AT4 VST Vintage Console Channel Strip Plug-In Suite it has high latency.
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- KVRAF
- 2589 posts since 12 Nov, 2014
I actually managed to get the Scheps 73 to sound similar to the UAD. The secret people are missing here is boosting the input, while cutting the output and driving the Mic preamp a bit harder.
The Arturia 73 is very nice too.
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- KVRist
- 322 posts since 19 Sep, 2005 from Los Angeles, CA
I don't know about 'best' (still no demos or returns), but it appears there is another player as of today:
https://www.finalmix.biz
Such an odd little company -- supposedly owned or operated by Rob Chiarelli; they mostly fly under the radar, but nobody seems to want to try their stuff since the business model is so atypical. I might give the EQ73 a go, for $18 (discount code in the email). At least we'd have an idea of whether their stuff is worth considering.
BTW: No connection to them here -- apparently I bought a couple of their 'Lite' plugins way back when I was new to this whole thing and buying all kinds of stuff just to try it. So I still get the emails from time to time. I just re-downloaded the two plugs I own to try them and re-evaluate. The email says they are based out of Westlake, CA...just down the road from me (Los Angeles).
https://www.finalmix.biz
Such an odd little company -- supposedly owned or operated by Rob Chiarelli; they mostly fly under the radar, but nobody seems to want to try their stuff since the business model is so atypical. I might give the EQ73 a go, for $18 (discount code in the email). At least we'd have an idea of whether their stuff is worth considering.
BTW: No connection to them here -- apparently I bought a couple of their 'Lite' plugins way back when I was new to this whole thing and buying all kinds of stuff just to try it. So I still get the emails from time to time. I just re-downloaded the two plugs I own to try them and re-evaluate. The email says they are based out of Westlake, CA...just down the road from me (Los Angeles).
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- KVRian
- 1264 posts since 26 Feb, 2016
UAD have some excellent ones.
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- Banned
- 85 posts since 25 Jul, 2019
Definitely interested in your comparisonInfinite5ths wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:01 am I don't know about 'best' (still no demos or returns), but it appears there is another player as of today:
https://www.finalmix.biz
Such an odd little company -- supposedly owned or operated by Rob Chiarelli; they mostly fly under the radar, but nobody seems to want to try their stuff since the business model is so atypical. I might give the EQ73 a go, for $18 (discount code in the email). At least we'd have an idea of whether their stuff is worth considering.
BTW: No connection to them here -- apparently I bought a couple of their 'Lite' plugins way back when I was new to this whole thing and buying all kinds of stuff just to try it. So I still get the emails from time to time. I just re-downloaded the two plugs I own to try them and re-evaluate. The email says they are based out of Westlake, CA...just down the road from me (Los Angeles).
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- KVRian
- 1030 posts since 26 Feb, 2018
Don't have any meaningful experience with actual hardware, but I recently started adopting the VPRE 73 and comparing to other tools in my arsenal to hear the differences.
I'd say that something like the Scheps Omni is not trying to be a specific vintage preamp. I of course love it and use the saturation all the time, but compared to what you get from a dedicated vintage preamp emulator it's just not going the distance to try to do the same things.
AirWindows BussColors4 is up there for sure. The Lush (Neve?) mode doesn't sound like VPRE73 so maybe it's probably not modeled after the 1073 but other pre or aspect of the console. But in general what I'm hearing seems very correct to what's supposed to be there: saturation, some compression, peak decapitating and some distortion/grit, and all of it builds up at different rates as you raise the gain. I'm not comparing it to any specific unit, but BussColors4 is definitely doing what hardware does and it's giving you 8 models to play with. Another huge plus is the low CPU usage. VPRE73 is not CPU heavy but still needs about 4 times the juice that BussColors4 is drawing to create a similar treatment.
So In short I'd second what was said before, if you are looking for some hardware-like track feel, try AirWindows BussColors4.
Personally, after my tests I actually prefer what I'm getting out of channel strips like the Scheps Omni and McDSP 6050/6060. The saturators are actually very useful and easy to apply, and not trying to be any particular piece of hardware frees them to be themselves and more versatile. I find them charismatic, more tolerant of abuse, and it's nice to be able to audition from a selection vs being stuck with specifically a 1073.
I'd say that something like the Scheps Omni is not trying to be a specific vintage preamp. I of course love it and use the saturation all the time, but compared to what you get from a dedicated vintage preamp emulator it's just not going the distance to try to do the same things.
AirWindows BussColors4 is up there for sure. The Lush (Neve?) mode doesn't sound like VPRE73 so maybe it's probably not modeled after the 1073 but other pre or aspect of the console. But in general what I'm hearing seems very correct to what's supposed to be there: saturation, some compression, peak decapitating and some distortion/grit, and all of it builds up at different rates as you raise the gain. I'm not comparing it to any specific unit, but BussColors4 is definitely doing what hardware does and it's giving you 8 models to play with. Another huge plus is the low CPU usage. VPRE73 is not CPU heavy but still needs about 4 times the juice that BussColors4 is drawing to create a similar treatment.
So In short I'd second what was said before, if you are looking for some hardware-like track feel, try AirWindows BussColors4.
Personally, after my tests I actually prefer what I'm getting out of channel strips like the Scheps Omni and McDSP 6050/6060. The saturators are actually very useful and easy to apply, and not trying to be any particular piece of hardware frees them to be themselves and more versatile. I find them charismatic, more tolerant of abuse, and it's nice to be able to audition from a selection vs being stuck with specifically a 1073.
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- KVRist
- 445 posts since 3 Feb, 2017
The new Lindell 80 is very good and my new favorite !
I have the UAD and used to have an original vintage 1073.
I have the UAD and used to have an original vintage 1073.
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- KVRist
- 322 posts since 19 Sep, 2005 from Los Angeles, CA
I have a good friend who is a mix engineer here in LA. He works in high end studios with lots of analog gear, and loves Neve hardware. If I can get him to commit to (informally) evaluate the Final Mix plugin, I’ll buy and test. That way we have a comparative opinion (based on relevant, meaningful experience with the hardware), and my ITB-producer perspective.Symphony Sid wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:42 amDefinitely interested in your comparisonInfinite5ths wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:01 am I don't know about 'best' (still no demos or returns), but it appears there is another player as of today:
https://www.finalmix.biz
Such an odd little company -- supposedly owned or operated by Rob Chiarelli; they mostly fly under the radar, but nobody seems to want to try their stuff since the business model is so atypical. I might give the EQ73 a go, for $18 (discount code in the email). At least we'd have an idea of whether their stuff is worth considering.
BTW: No connection to them here -- apparently I bought a couple of their 'Lite' plugins way back when I was new to this whole thing and buying all kinds of stuff just to try it. So I still get the emails from time to time. I just re-downloaded the two plugs I own to try them and re-evaluate. The email says they are based out of Westlake, CA...just down the road from me (Los Angeles).
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- KVRAF
- 6279 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
When TrackSpark was around, I picked up MixBussEQ and Parallel Drums. I just put them on a track I'm working on and am reminded how nice they are. MixBuss, along with having "buss" spelled correctly, has some nice EQ shapes that interact with each other in interesting ways and sounds good on the mix buss. Parallel Drums let me dial in a more balance drum mix between the kick and everything else with just one slider. Very nice. I had forgtten about them. That Neve EQ looks nice.
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- KVRian
- 1030 posts since 26 Feb, 2018
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- KVRAF
- 6279 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
Correct. Buss.
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- KVRist
- 322 posts since 19 Sep, 2005 from Los Angeles, CA
So far, my initial testing shows that it sounds good. I had forgotten how FAST a true Neve-1073 style plugin really is to use. Sure, I can get equally usable results with my Softube Tube-Tech/Pultec, PSP E27, DDMF 6144, FabFilter Pro-Q3, and a half-dozen other options. But the Neve takes 25% as much time as the fastest of them. Granted, it's not always flexible enough to do everything; but even as 'merely' a prototype to generate ideas and/or get in the ballpark, it's so good.plexuss wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:26 am When TrackSpark was around, I picked up MixBussEQ and Parallel Drums. I just put them on a track I'm working on and am reminded how nice they are. MixBuss, along with having "buss" spelled correctly, has some nice EQ shapes that interact with each other in interesting ways and sounds good on the mix buss. Parallel Drums let me dial in a more balance drum mix between the kick and everything else with just one slider. Very nice. I had forgtten about them. That Neve EQ looks nice.
Now...does this specific plugin sound just like an actual Neve 1073? I have no idea. I also can't tell you if it's as good as other plugins. But for $18, it's definitely a welcomed re-addition to my toolbox. I wonder who made the last 1073 emulation plugin I used...this feeling can't be purely deja vu.
PM me if anybody wants the discount code. I don't think it's a secret; but I won't publish it until I'm sure.