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griels wrote: Maybe they're overstating their case a little, but it should be very usable. You are aware that an 800MhZ Mac is much faster than an 800MhZ PC? :)
That's not accurate - when G4s were competing in the market against PIIIs/Athlons, the efficiency of scalar code (ie not Altivec or SSE) was comparable. Lots of apps (eg plugins) did not use Altivec so plugin instances were comparable at similar clock speeds.

P4s were (and still are) less efficient per clock but with Northwood they were the best game in town - fastest memory performance and with such high clockspeeds they outran everything G4 (by a mile) G5 and Athlons until more recently when AMD has bridged the gap again.

Lets hope that they are in fact overstating the case here. It is hard to see how Altivec optimised code could be ported on the fly to SSE so I expect Logic is not a good contender for this sort of thing.

Eg

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I recently tried running multiple instances of the Waves IR1 plugin on a dual 2Ghz G5 versus a 3.2Ghz Pentium4 laptop. I was able to run 12 instances on the Mac and 18 on the PC laptop (Dell 9100). This would support Cherry OS's claim that OSX runs faster on a top of the range PC than a mid-priced Mac
isn't this a bit too optimistic?

http://www.musicxpc.com/products/c2/c2_performance.htm

there are some graphs created based on waves plugs. G5×2×2ghz vs their pIV music computer. Not so much headroom on pc side.

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Wow!

This app looks cool!

Has anyone tried it yet?
What's it like?
Fast?

Please keep info on this product updated here on this forum topic!

Cheers

Steve :D

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nevermind :roll:
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Now ^this^ is what I mean by K-v-R on the case!

mauseoleum - I didn't benchmark the G5 vs the Dell, just reported what I saw. Glad to see that my plugin (RVerb) is being used for benchmarking though. 'Hog', they shouted when it first came out. Outhogged by convolution...phew

Anyone know if there is any theoretical limitations on the 80% efficiency claim? The seem to have hired two new programmers due to 'overwhelming demand' after having suffered the /. effect. I'm certainly paying my 50 dollars to promote the cause.

Intriuged,

KingLouie

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egbert wrote:
griels wrote: Maybe they're overstating their case a little, but it should be very usable. You are aware that an 800MhZ Mac is much faster than an 800MhZ PC? :)
That's not accurate - when G4s were competing in the market against PIIIs/Athlons, the efficiency of scalar code (ie not Altivec or SSE) was comparable. Lots of apps (eg plugins) did not use Altivec so plugin instances were comparable at similar clock speeds.

P4s were (and still are) less efficient per clock but with Northwood they were the best game in town - fastest memory performance and with such high clockspeeds they outran everything G4 (by a mile) G5 and Athlons until more recently when AMD has bridged the gap again.

Lets hope that they are in fact overstating the case here. It is hard to see how Altivec optimised code could be ported on the fly to SSE so I expect Logic is not a good contender for this sort of thing.

Eg
Maybe the 800MhZ G4 they were comparing the performance of CherryOS to was running Altivec-optimised plugins? I've heard reports that dozens of instances of Space Designer can run on a G5 Mac. Hard to judge really... From what I hear, porting Altivec code to SSE is indeed pretty hairy. I suppose they're likely to skew the statistics to suit their case...

I'm just hoping this could hush the Logic-PC orphans :hihi: Of course, it's a suboptimal solution, and I hope it prompts Apple to wise up and provide a better one (OS X on x86 and an accompanying version of Logic), and heats up the competition on the PC side for sequencers of comparable sophistication.

Personally I'm very happy using Cubase SX3, so I won't be shelling out I think. :D
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Music with dinner is an insult both to the cook and the violinist.

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Does CherryOS even support CoreAudio and AU?

I would be shocked if it did.
www.bcproject.com
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BC wrote:Does CherryOS even support CoreAudio and AU?

I would be shocked if it did.
If it runs OSX, it supports AU. As far as CoreAudio, it can bridge to a device equipped with CoreAudio drivers over its PCI bridge, so the answer would be yes too.

Of course, the proof is in the eating :)
Music with dinner is an insult both to the cook and the violinist.

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griels wrote: I'm just hoping this could hush the Logic-PC orphans :hihi: Of course, it's a suboptimal solution, and I hope it prompts Apple to wise up and provide a better one (OS X on x86 and an accompanying version of Logic), or just to heat up the competition on the PC side for sequencers of comparable sophistication.

Personally I'm very happy using Cubase SX3, so I won't be shelling out I think. :D
I would like to see OSX on x86 too but I'm not optimistic. I'm still using Logic 5.5.1 mostly and waiting for my SX3 upgrade.

If the Window Layouts improvements, Edit in Place and Freeze features are up to snuff by the time I get it (currently some "Poofs" with EIP according to cubase.net forums), I might make the big move across but Logic's stablility, midi editing and a few other things (eg not running plugins on tracks where nothing is currently playing) have kept me from making the big switch full time.

Regards,
Eg
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griels do you have cherryOS?

how sufficiently does it run?

I'd love to try it out! and test OSX 10.3.4 before commiting to an upgrade on my Mac.

p.s. is it able to run both OS9 and OSX, so as to be able to dual boot from one to the other through the system preferences - startup disk app?

Cheers

Steve :D

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jonmatrix120 wrote:griels do you have cherryOS?
Fraid not, I only know as much as they've posted in on their site. It's not even available yet.

As I said, the proof of the pudding is in the eating :)
Music with dinner is an insult both to the cook and the violinist.

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Cheers!

Please let me know if you get it and test it with Logic, Protools, etc and how fast it is compared with a standard G4 Mac!

Thanks

Please keep posting more news on the status of this product as it look very cool!

Cheers

Steve :D

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Now, the question is :
Will i be able to use Virtual Pc with the Mac emulation ? :D

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Kind of a foolish idea as more and more companies are dropping their OSX development and I seriously doubt if anyone who uses a Mac professionally for audio or video is going to jump over to PC just because.

Apple is seeing to it that they are the only ones developing professional apps to run on the Mac.

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maxlef wrote:Now, the question is :
Will i be able to use Virtual Pc with the Mac emulation ? :D
Only if you want to run Cherry OS on Virtual PC on Cherry OS on PC.

;-)

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