Airwindows: which effects are the „must use“ ones?

[s28]

I'm not really into how channel 7 works, i like the simplicity of 6.. listen to how it tidies up the low end and emphasies the transients. Totally depends how hard you hit it as well, very obvious when run hot.

[mcbpete]

I've had Purest Gain for gain staging, and PDChannel at the end of each of the channels (With the PDBus on the 2 buss). I honestly can't hear what the the PDConsole (and previously Purest Console) does but they've been happily sat on every track I've made since they were released - I just think of it as Chris helping me do a mix and pulling the 'ooh that sounds nice' face to spur me on!

[jochicago]

So, sorry

I could have been more clear too. Was replying too late in the day.

[Local Man]

f**king millenials

Don't start with that. The people bringing up "millenials" are usually the baby boomers, who are first hand responsible for every mess we are in while diluting the equity the previous generations left them. Meanwhile most millenials are not old enough to be in executive positions yet. If I were a baby boomer I would go out of my way to prevent a conversation from becoming about the generations.

Very well said!
I know this was in response to a misunderstood joke, so no offense to el-bo.

The enmity that many express for the younger generations on this and similar forums is so completely misguided it's ridiculous.


Anyway, as for Airwindows plugins, the two I use all the time are NC-17 and ADClip. Great on drums that you want to dominate the mix yet still have some life and transient focus.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

So, sorry

I could have been more clear too. Was replying too late in the day.

And once again, peace and joy were restored to the world

[imrae]

Slew2 is quite interesting as a de-esser alternative. It sort of degrades the "ess" rather than pumping it down. When it works it works well.

[kingozrecords]

And 2 el-bo, yeah I mean Chris is #1, most agree; and when I have money it's a priority. TBH I just put everything into making a business. Years ago, I used to be in programming and design for a popular php CMS and it gets hard when the direction of the product becomes less retrofit and ultimately less user friendly (like pro tools and no vst / php 4,5 and not 3 mysql5 and not 3,4) It's always a gamble, but Chris has made many things available for nothing and it's the least I can do for now to say that he's great.

Not so much about being a millennial, just that I'm all in so to speak.

[kingozrecords]

Slew2 is quite interesting as a de-esser alternative. It sort of degrades the "ess" rather than pumping it down. When it works it works well.

An interesting idea, never tried it.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

And 2 el-bo, yeah I mean Chris is #1, most agree; and when I have money it's a priority. TBH I just put everything into making a business.

[s28]

I've had Purest Gain for gain staging, and PDChannel at the end of each of the channels (With the PDBus on the 2 buss). I honestly can't hear what the the PDConsole (and previously Purest Console) does but they've been happily sat on every track I've made since they were released - I just think of it as Chris helping me do a mix and pulling the 'ooh that sounds nice' face to spur me on!

If you use headphones it's easier to hear purest/pd console. On my monitors I find it much harder to hear these. I used them for a while and my last track had console6 on it but stopped using them after that, I prefer using my faders in Live to the sonic differences of console.

Airwindows tip - bassdrive is a great one, it can work really well pushing the presence of sounds or completely reshaping things.

[Unaspected]

And 2 el-bo, yeah I mean Chris is #1, most agree; and when I have money it's a priority. TBH I just put everything into making a business. Years ago, I used to be in programming and design for a popular php CMS and it gets hard when the direction of the product becomes less retrofit and ultimately less user friendly (like pro tools and no vst / php 4,5 and not 3 mysql5 and not 3,4) It's always a gamble, but Chris has made many things available for nothing and it's the least I can do for now to say that he's great.

Not so much about being a millennial, just that I'm all in so to speak.

I'm not sure why people are guilt tripping you. I'm sure you would love to be able to afford to donate. But if you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

The free products I offer have donation options for those who can afford to support. The reason I do this with some products is so that those who can't afford to give money can still have the product. I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to donate and I'm sure that Airwindows would choose a different model if they wanted payment from everyone who uses their products.


I've yet to check out the Airwindows plugins. I downloaded the pack a few weeks back but with new products added, I might have to download again before I check them out.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I'm not sure why people are guilt tripping you. I'm sure you would love to be able to afford to donate. But if you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

"People"? You seem to have an issue with addressing other members directly. It's not the first time

Anyway, to address your comment:

I'm not guilt-tripping him because he can't afford to donate. Initially, I thought it a bit 'off' that a developer would not wish to support other developers. When he said it was about not being able to afford plugins because he had invested all his money in his own business, it seemed like a fair explanation; that was, until I went looking through his post history (I only did this to see if their was a link to his website in any of his threads, as there is no link in his signature, nor in his profile). I did end up finding a link to his website. However, I also found him mentioning having bought a couple of synths in the last couple of months, and another thread in which he mentioned he'll be buying another, soon.

So, he's lying. He can afford to buy plugins, but he is choosing not to prioritising the ones that he can get away with using without having to pay for.

That is why I posted the gif about him digging himself deeper. I'm referring to the story he's weaving. If he wasn't lying I'd not really have bothered mentioning it, further, because I suspect that there are a lot of people who are doing the same with Airwindows' plugins; at least, certainly more than the 531 Patreon donors.

Are there people using them who genuinely can't afford them? I'm sure. And the system clearly favours people doing that. But what of the rest? I'm betting there are a ton of people who are paying for other software while 'not being able to afford' Airwindows' plugs

The free products I offer have donation options for those who can afford to support. The reason I do this with some products is so that those who can't afford to give money can still have the product. I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to donate and I'm sure that Airwindows would choose a different model if they wanted payment from everyone who uses their products.

It’s good when developers can offer free products, whether they be as a loss-leader, with a tip-jar for those who wish to donate (As in your case), or genuinely free. Chris’ plugins (and I’m sure someone will correct me if I have this wrong), are not free. They cost $50 each, just as they have for many years. The difference now is that he has set it up so that a) people can spread that cost over monthly or yearly payments, and b) that even if you refuse to pay you still have the right, within his system, to use them.

I think he has an extremely forward-thinking philosophy, in this regard. However, clearly people are taking advantage of him.

If we just assume the simplest of scenarios, the fact that he is currently earning $1525 per month that would mean each of his 531 Patreon donators are donating at a level that doesn’t even pay for one plugin, over the course of a year. Obviously some are paying their way, but that just means that most people are paying well under. Of course, some folk could be donating at the lowest tier with the intention of keeping the donation going indefinitely.

Again, people are still operating within the parameters that Chris has set, so no problem, right?
I guess not. That is, until other developers have to lie about having no money while buying other software

[Unaspected]

I'm not sure why people are guilt tripping you. I'm sure you would love to be able to afford to donate. But if you can't afford it, you can't afford it.

"People"? You seem to have an issue with addressing other members directly. It's not the first time

Sorry, man. If it had been just you and I had issue with you personally, I would have addressed you directly. But it was more than one person and I have no issue with anyone who made the suggestions. I just don't agree with what was suggested and as it was more than one person against one, I felt it fair to mention that I disagreed with the notion.

Did I call you out indirectly before? That doesn't sound like me. I certainly don't have an issue with you - actually appreciate much of your input here.

Anyway, to address your comment:

I'm not guilt-tripping him because he can't afford to donate. Initially, I thought it a bit 'off' that a developer would not wish to support other developers. When he said it was about not being able to afford plugins because he had invested all his money in his own business, it seemed like a fair explanation; that was, until I went looking through his post history (I only did this to see if their was a link to his website in any of his threads, as there is no link in his signature, nor in his profile). I did end up finding a link to his website. However, I also found him mentioning having bought a couple of synths in the last couple of months, and another thread in which he mentioned he'll be buying another, soon.

So, he's lying. He can afford to buy plugins, but he is choosing not to prioritising the ones that he can get away with using without having to pay for.

That is why I posted the gif about him digging himself deeper. I'm referring to the story he's weaving. If he wasn't lying I'd not really have bothered mentioning it, further, because I suspect that there are a lot of people who are doing the same with Airwindows' plugins; at least, certainly more than the 531 Patreon donors.

Are there people using them who genuinely can't afford them? I'm sure. And the system clearly favours people doing that. But what of the rest? I'm betting there are a ton of people who are paying for other software while 'not being able to afford' Airwindows' plugs

I would imagine that is the case, yes.

I'm not really sure why you are digging this up on him. I have the feeling that I've got myself involved with something where the other parties are emotionally invested, where I am not.

The free products I offer have donation options for those who can afford to support. The reason I do this with some products is so that those who can't afford to give money can still have the product. I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to donate and I'm sure that Airwindows would choose a different model if they wanted payment from everyone who uses their products.

It’s good when developers can offer free products, whether they be as a loss-leader, with a tip-jar for those who wish to donate (As in your case), or genuinely free. Chris’ plugins (and I’m sure someone will correct me if I have this wrong), are not free. They cost $50 each, just as they have for many years. The difference now is that he has set it up so that a) people can spread that cost over monthly or yearly payments, and b) that even if you refuse to pay you still have the right, within his system, to use them.


I think he has an extremely forward-thinking philosophy, in this regard. However, clearly people are taking advantage of him.

This is where we see things differently on this matter. I don't think anyone is taking advantage of Chris as he would have foreseen these eventualities.

If we just assume the simplest of scenarios, the fact that he is currently earning $1525 per month that would mean each of his 531 Patreon donators are donating at a level that doesn’t even pay for one plugin, over the course of a year. Obviously some are paying their way, but that just means that most people are paying well under. Of course, some folk could be donating at the lowest tier with the intention of keeping the donation going indefinitely.

Again, people are still operating within the parameters that Chris has set, so no problem, right?
I guess not. That is, until other developers have to lie about having no money while buying other software

It's an odd one, I'll agree with you there. I don't know why he wouldn't just say that he hasn't got round to it yet. So maybe he brought it on himself.

[Calenberger]

May I kindly ask you both to discuss your stuff in private or in an other thread?
I‘m really interested in AIRWINDOWS, but not in your dispute.
Thanks!

[Unaspected]

May I kindly ask you both to discuss your stuff in private or in an other thread?
I‘m really interested in AIRWINDOWS, but not in your dispute.
Thanks!

No issues and no problem.