Drums: samples or synthesis?

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roman.i
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35 posts since 25 Aug, 2019

Post Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:43 am

Hi all,

There are many ways to generate drums/percussions sounds, using samples, slicing loops, drum machine emulations, regular synths, kick synths, etc.
Any thoughts about which one to choose and when? What are advantages of each?

Thanks

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EnochLight
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1490 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from your mom

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:58 am

roman.i wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:43 am
Hi all,

There are many ways to generate drums/percussions sounds, using samples, slicing loops, drum machine emulations, regular synths, kick synths, etc.
Any thoughts about which one to choose and when? What are advantages of each?

Thanks

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I’m a huge fan of drum synthesis, if anything just because it’s as versatile as synthesis in general. The sounds you can get - in real-time - can be very unique and inspiring.

At the same time, sampling is quick and light on resources, and allows you to emulate any classic drum machine you want.

I tend to use both. There’s no rules as to when one is better or not. Use whatever sounds right to your ears for your particular production.
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kvotchin
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217 posts since 9 Aug, 2018

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:17 am

It very much depends (sorry to be that guy . . . ) on the kind of music you want to make. Not the most appealing info perhaps, but yeah, it *really* does.

So . . . what are you into?

roman.i
KVRist
35 posts since 25 Aug, 2019

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:15 am

Psytrance. I usually start with sample packs, but the sample search feels like pulling an "ok" one from a trash bin, and it doesn't always fit perfectly. I mean, there are very few types of drums/percussions, and most of them sounds like easy to synthesize with the right tool.

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DJ Warmonger
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3348 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:24 am

I **** up my recently released remix, as I tried to create hard trance kick out of 4 layers. :dog: This way it totally lacks punch and impact, but I realized that too late.

Not anymore. Now I mostly use Battery 4 drums and the Kick goes out to master pretty much untouched. So much better now.
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4250 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:24 am

roman.i wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:15 am
Psytrance. I usually start with sample packs, but the sample search feels like pulling an "ok" one from a trash bin, and it doesn't always fit perfectly.
Can relate to that 100%. I also make psytrance

I use samples for drums but I'm considering switching do dedicated drum synths. Especially for kicks, even despite I have a bunch of pretty decent kick samples, getting them to blend nicely with the bass in the given key/bpm is always a pain.

Kick2 is highly rated by psy producers for what I know.

The snare/clap is another story, you take a sample that sounds cool and punchy on its own but when it is put into the mix where it overlaps with the kick transient all kind of disaster may happen.
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Ah_Dziz
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2679 posts since 2 Jul, 2005

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:46 am

Definitely a combination of both. I almost always synthesize my kick or at least the main “body” of it. That’s just how I like it since it gives me a good amount of control in the bass region. Whether I use samples or synthesis or samples of synthesizers or loops, for the rest of the rhythm parts in a song are all context dependent. For x0x snares, toms, etc I’m happy to use samples almost always, and even with a tight acoustic drum kit I’ll often layer enveloped noise under the snare (usually from a synth) to give myself the ability to have it cut right through the mix (via filtering and nonlinear processing) without touching the tone of the original drum. Often times I like little percussion loops either that I’ve made with a synth or sometimes from a pack or stylus RMX, but I usually chop them up and resample them a good bit. Sometime though you just need some nice tight hand percussion though and there is no shortage of loops of that out there than have been recorded exceptionally well.

I don’t make “Psytrance” though and with the examples I’ve seen of the bigger acts in the genre there is not a huge amount of conformity outside of having a nice steady trance beat to keep things moving. In my personal experience, “psytrance = techno that hippies like”. I know this isn’t accurate and probably with some research there’s a better way of describing it as a genre, but the point of this reply is that you can make any king of electronic music with either sampled or synthesized drums, and it just depends on what you prefer. It does seem like a good idea to go ahead and learn how electronic drumsounds are synthesized and practice doing it some even if you are planning on going with mainly samples. You never know when you’ll need a sound that you don’t have a sample of and it’s nice to be able to whip one up when you do.

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shredshred
KVRer
6 posts since 6 Oct, 2019

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:35 pm

depend on what youre working on
i use both,but mainly acoustic drum samples
since drum synth doesnt evolve that much

tibah
KVRian
1196 posts since 21 Feb, 2010 from Berlin, Germany

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:54 pm

Samples. It just works for me. Layering, pitching, cutting, reversing. I try to focus on one sample pack for each track, unless I know I want to add e.g. some weird foley sounds too. Helps in getting to know your sample collection and in the best case scenario to reduce it to favorites. ;)

I do like to sample my synths though. Even more so with Repro/Bazille, which offer weird and wonderful percussion things. :party: Record some 32-64 bar take of tweaking parameters and end up with some nice unique segments you can use for additional layering.

lil_miss_beats
KVRer
9 posts since 4 Sep, 2019

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:02 am

Oversimplified, but what I go for:

Clean punchy sound: Syntheiszed
More hip hop or accoustic: Sampled

Like others said, layering great, and blending to get the right balance of the two.

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Igro
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4145 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:08 am

Samples in 95% sound like shit.

Trancit
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2335 posts since 27 Jul, 2004

Re: Drums: samples or synthesis?

Post Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:18 am

Igro wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:08 am
Samples in 95% sound like shit.
Use better samples... :D

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