Newbie on KvR, hello everyone!

[Lerian]

I spent a few months just reading the topics here, you guys are great help. Well, i want to start making some noise too, but i don't know much about it. So i guess i will disturb you with my noob questions

About analog sounds.. I know they sound alot better but doesn't work to sample some sounds (or get them on sample cds) and then trasnform them ? I want to make some dance music, and i'm a sucker for prodigy sound.. can i do that only with my DAW and samples ?

Also I fooled around with my friend's fl studio and i guess this will be my first host, although i don't get how can i layer drums to fit together (change the start time, becuase some kicks doesn't start at the same time)

Oh, and the newer fl studio can read sample cds (like akai ones) ?

Thanks and for sure i'll help you to reach the "x.000" post

Andrei

[snareSpanker]

Please let me be the first to say



WELCOME!


(looking forward to post 30.. Yah!)

[Sicklecell666]

Hello newbie, & welcome to KvR. If you thought staying away was hard when you dwelled in the shadows, think again.

Leave now while you have the chance.



Need any help, just ask us, & we'll do our very best to confuse you as much as possible.

Regarding your question about samples, maybe a good host for you is Live4, but you'll still be composing stuff like basslines, etc, when you get tired of chopping samples endlessly. I'm not a big sample user, but there are many ppl completely happy using nothing but, so the trick is to just get your feet wet. A sample-based DAW leaves me to suggest Live4 as a high potential solution for you, which also gives you access to VSTi ala v4 should you wanna delve into that can of worms...

[marcello909]

Get Project 5 from Cakewalk , you can get it for around £120.00 now , and its great for programming bass lines , drums and lead lines . Get Ableton 4 as well if you can stretch to that to sequence the parts and put it all together . Master through T-Racks and your the next FatBoySlim!!!!

[kevvvvv]

Hi Andrei ... welcome aboard

[Sepheritoh]

Welcome at KvR. Hope you will learn a lot and we will soon hear some of your tunes.

[Kraku]

I suggest Ableton Live 4 also. You won't need any other host if you have that one, since it has perfectly good arrangement view in it and the MIDI capabilities & editing are quite good. I've owned Live 4 for about a week now and I can't say a bad word about it. Try the demo and remember to go through all the seven tutorials included in the demo. The first tutorial is already open when you open the program the first time. Those tutorials don't take long time to go through and when you have, you know almost all important things about Live 4

[rsmus7]

Hello and welcome @ KvR

There are so many different ways to make dance music.

And if you want do do stuff like prodigy, I know they did a very big part of their last CD in REASON, so this could be one way, but be prepared to take your time to learn the prog. It seems to be easy enough for the beginning and then it seems to be too limited to go real deep and get somewhere and if you learn more and dive deeper you'll find it is almost endless, and you can do anything you want. You got a good sampler a great drummachine and two great synths. Also asome usefull and decent sounding FX.

And you can rewire it to a host where you can expand the sonic range even more.


But this is as I said only one way.

Live is definately another way, and since the last version supporting midi and vsti fully it has grown to be a real sequenzer. If you use many loop samoles this pretty good.

Another more cheap point to start is Tracktion.
This host is modular and very easy to understand once you learn the basics, what tkes about 30 min.
And if you use energyXT insde Tracktion you have also a wide range of sonic and sequenzing possibilities.

And use all the good freeware plugs you can find.

But I'd say the most important thing is to learn about sounds and getting to know the software that you use.

ANd if you have any questions, just ask.

I know there is Orion and Sonar and Cubase and so on... but I mentioned only the stuff, I recently used.

[bluedad]

andrei,
welcome!

[quincy]

Welcome mate

Stay open minded about making music and you'll be fine around here. Try many different things and make your own decisions about what you like. Don't let the trolls tell you they know better, they probably don't!! If you like to make a certain kind of music in a certain way, thats all the excuse you need to do it

Hope you stick around

[spaceman]

welcome

[Lerian]

wow, that was fast! I guess here starts my kvr-addiction eh ?


I did read before a few threads about the hosts, i know there's a host fight out there but i don't wanna be part of it. I just want to stuck with fruity for now because is cheap, seem pretty good and i get used to it already

There was tracktion but i'm a bit addicted to good looking things and fruity won that fight:)

rsmus7 Reason seems a bit limited to me, i mean the non-vst and refill thing. Altho i've read the interview witrh Liam and he was talking just about the sketches, because the time in the studio wasn't so inspiring for him.. (i personally don't like the last album but it sounds awesome )

Anyway thanks for all the advices and the warm welcome

[mckenic]

Hi Andrei,

I would also like to add a big welcome to KvR!

This is a wonderful place - any questions you have, rest assured someone here will be able to help!

One piece of advice tho... As you are just starting out it is easy to become overwhelmed... just go slowly - its a fun journey!

I want to make some dance music, and i'm a sucker for prodigy sound.. can i do that only with my DAW and samples ?

Yes indeed you can and much more - first sugestion would be to try the demos of the hosts you like the look of (you have already mentioned FL so your on the right track here ) Second thing I would try would be an audio editor of some sort - far too many to list but Audacity is free... its very much a taste thing! An app like this will allow you to detect the timing of your sampled beats (BPM) and add FX, chop the loop and change it around etc.

Also I fooled around with my friend's fl studio and i guess this will be my first host, although i don't get how can i layer drums to fit together (change the start time, becuase some kicks doesn't start at the same time)

Here we go ... Say for example you have an audio 120bpm drumloop in FL starting @ beat one. Add another channel (audio loop or drum synth - I dont use FL but the idea is the same) just program the next sound you need at whatever point you want it to kick ( ) in. Most hosts would be: top to bottom channels (synths/sounds) and left to right would be time... sorry if you know all this already...

Its gonna take some time to get where you want to go but its worth it. Read up on the instructions that come with the software you try out and pop in here if you dont understand anything, we are (mostly) a friendly bunch and you are going to meet some strange and wonderful people

Looking forward to hearing your first track posted here...

Welcome!

Dave

[Steven West]

Welcome Andrei.

Yes, there's LOTS of hosts - and many devoted fans of each here. But like McKenic says - find the one that's right for you. I planned on getting Cubase when I got into all this, and wound up with Orion. Couldn't be happier myself. I've your hearts set on FL, that's good. Best I can say, something definately 'went off' when I came across Orion - and hopefully it will be the same for you when you dedicate yourself to a host. Be it FL or other?

As for the Analog Samples, I think they can be just fine - as long as you got a really good sampler to play them. And right there - Analogs were nothing but simple Sine, Saw, Square, Triangle, and S&H waves to begin with. They were only made famous by their filters and features for the most part. So, a very good sampler with excellent features and filters - just as good as a real old Mini Moog IMHO.

But ALOT of the VSTi's coming out are just as good as playing a Arp or Korg Synth as well. PLUS, they don't eat up MB as much as a 2GB 'Vintage Library' per say. 100 good VSTi's could equal a mere 150MB at the end of the day.

But then VSTi's consume greater amounts of CPU than a sampler playing huge .WAV mappings if you're composing with alot of instruments in your host. So it's kinda 'Damned if you do, damned if you don't'

[vurt]

welcome aboard
dont listen to me if you want to make dance music