we are quite optimistic, that it will happen this yearAny new ETA on 1.5?
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- KVRAF
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- 2478 posts since 18 Apr, 2011
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 7 Jul, 2004 from CrAzY-SoUnDlAbS
oh, thanks, and you´re right: noone mentioned AvengerAJYoung wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:23 am In fact, I seem to see a gigantic list of professionals here on Vengeance's site, many of whom regularly tour and make music on-the-go.
Now this may be getting into tin-foil-hat territory, but I don't happen to see any testimonials there mentioning Avenger...
I also find Manuel's argumentation very customer-unfriendly, especially the hint that such a monitor only costs about as much as Avenger himself. Yes nice, but on the one hand he wants us to buy his XPs but on the other hand he accuses us that professional music can only be made reasonable on >1080p. I find that very arrogant, but money often changes the character. And no, that's not envy now, but I regret giving him my money a little, because I usually avoid people who think they are better.
Maybe it's better if I only take 1.5 and maybe the new XPs with me and then go back to other manufacturers which respects loyal customers the warez-attack wasn´t hard enough to think about his customers
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
Yeah, I also paid the transfer fee from that EUR100...
Luckily I bought it for EUR100 when it was on sale at their anniversary, so I didn't lose that much and I needed money towards Falcon 2
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- Banned
- 1646 posts since 4 Aug, 2017
I have a cheap Core i3 with a 1366 x 768 screen. I use a 1080p external monitor when needed. I have tons of plugins and only a handful won't fit comfortably on my screen...VPS Avenger being one of them. As a result, it doesn't get a ton of use. I don't mind because I have plenty of other synths to choose from. I have no plans to upgrade. I think it is clear that Manuel has designed Avenger for his own sound design needs and preferences. And that is cool...if his use case doesn't fit yours, there are plenty of other options to choose from.
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 7 Jul, 2004 from CrAzY-SoUnDlAbS
oh, now "this year" isn´t for sure?
first soon, then October, then November and now optimistic this year
the video where you announced 1.5 was 07th April 2019, the second around June
so maybe the change of the copyprotection wasn´t the only problem?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2478 posts since 18 Apr, 2011
what is wrong with you? I only said I recommend buying a monitor instead of Avenger because I think 1080p is a pain to make music with. In which mental reality do you live, that this is arrogant? Its the opposite. I literally say that you should not give us your money and spend it for something else which will enhance the comfort you can work. Think that I am better?? wtf? Buy whatever you want or what you dont want. It was just well meant. Sorry I am out
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 7 Jul, 2004 from CrAzY-SoUnDlAbS
you don´t simple recommend you bring words in the game, which aren´t necessary, read:
what call you this?
I call it "arrogant"
I believe you, that you meant it well, but why then choosing those word-definition?
and it was so clear that at the end you simple choose again 1 of 2 choices: saying "I am out" or deleting the post (as in the warez-week, no, not posts with "links" and not my posts, but okay)
only not having 4K is meaning in your reality (to use your words) not being able to work "seriously and professional"
what call you this?
I call it "arrogant"
I believe you, that you meant it well, but why then choosing those word-definition?
and it was so clear that at the end you simple choose again 1 of 2 choices: saying "I am out" or deleting the post (as in the warez-week, no, not posts with "links" and not my posts, but okay)
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- KVRAF
- 2347 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
C'mon, that sentence is not arrogant, maybe ignorant yes, from the perspective as VSTi developer. He just expresses his personal way of view. Why is that not legit? Surely he ignores the reality that still the majority simply uses 1080p.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2478 posts since 18 Apr, 2011
you should have highlighted "I CAN NOT". Its just my personal opinion?! The first thing I bought from my first few bucks I earned were actually Screens. I always wanted big screens. Its my personal priority. "I" can not imagine, working on small screens, thats completely right. DAWs are so huge (arrangements with 50 tracks, Mixers, Effects, Synths - I need space for all this. I cant stand it, moving windows around, just to make space to have an overwiev. Like I said, my personal working philosophy - nothing arrogant. Some other guy prefers buying 4 XP packs instead of a screen instead, because he dont mind, having little space. Thats fine. I dont want to attack your 1080p Screen. Calm down... and now I am really out of this OT
well, is this so? I really dont know. Sure, you get statistics, saying that 21% still use 1080p (and 22% is "other", wonder what other is). But you have to divide again here: how many of this 21% is purely office... grandmas computer, or whatever. I am pretty sure, the percentage is studios and among gamers with a better resolution is much much higher.Surely he ignores the reality that still the majority simply uses 1080p.
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- KVRAF
- 2347 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
Yes, I am sure of this. I myself OFCOURSE use 4k, no way to going back ever, once you realized how shitty 1080p is. But none of any people using PCs that I know have a 4k screen. It might be standard in macos world, since low resolution devices are not sold simply.
The "other" of course is not only 4k, could be also a lot 1440p, which is quite common in pc world, no? So yes, I would say that you are ignoring the reality here, with all respect.
At least in my neighbour hood all pc users have 1080p. Sure, gamers usually have most recent tech.
Not everybody is a pro musician like you (having a fancy studio setup)
The "other" of course is not only 4k, could be also a lot 1440p, which is quite common in pc world, no? So yes, I would say that you are ignoring the reality here, with all respect.
At least in my neighbour hood all pc users have 1080p. Sure, gamers usually have most recent tech.
Not everybody is a pro musician like you (having a fancy studio setup)
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- KVRAF
- 2347 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
Nice, the policeman is here.
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
Actually 4K is pain to do music with, because lots of developers still haven't updated their software for it - looking at Steinberg, NI, Waves, Soundtoys and many others...
However it's true it's pain to work with Avenger on a 1080p screen, because at 100% it doesn't fit the screen and any lower (80-85% would be right) it gets "fuzzy" for some reason, which - coupled with a crowded GUI - made it unusable for me...
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- KVRian
- 936 posts since 3 Feb, 2015 from UK
^^^This is really what people running at lower than 100% scaling are asking for. If you could make this happen (and you could ), the display-challenged among us would be happy, the noise would go away, angels would sing, and we could get on with making eye-strain-less music with an otherwise awesome synth.
To politely repeat myself; The size issue, looking from the other direction, is that a *lot* of VSTs don't offer scalable gfx yet and at resolutions >1080 they are pretty much unusable. Setting aside cost issues for a moment (and it is a non-trivial issue for some when you consider previous investment in other software that doesn't scale well, or at all), this is probably the 2nd most common reason why people are still using lower res / FHD monitors.
mvh, nbiar.
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- KVRAF
- 2347 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
Yes, please reconsider your font smoothing approach, I also bet it would solve 99% of GUI critics.