Plugin Alliance new transfer policy caused concerns and is corrected...

[Gamma-UT]

By adding minimum spend it means they make more money from every voucher, they could have just tied vouchers to the account and it would solve the problem they're trying to fix, but now it means those of us who used our vouchers, now have to spend more money to use them on plugs we're probably not really interested in, but buy because they're cheap at $4 (with $25 voucher) or free with $50 voucher, minimum spend means those cheap plugs aren't as cheap especially for us Euro's with that 20% extra VAT added on top

Just think about that sentence for a moment. Dirk has done you a favour. Instead of pissing $5 up the wall at a time, you can put it against something you do want. Unless you're desperate to collect PA plugs like Pokemon there's really no reason to keep giving them money if you don't actually want them. Save yourself the heartache instead of going through the grief cycle every time Dirk posts something daft on Facebook.

[Digivolt]

As is the PA way, they could've handled this better. However, are you really complaining that you can no longer get plugins for $4, or free? f**k!

Well done on completely missing the point

[Gamma-UT]

As is the PA way, they could've handled this better. However, are you really complaining that you can no longer get plugins for $4, or free? f**k!

Well done on completely missing the point

How did el-bo miss the point? That's the core of your complaint. Maybe you don't want to admit it.

[thecontrolcentre]

By adding minimum spend it means they make more money from every voucher, they could have just tied vouchers to the account and it would solve the problem they're trying to fix, but now it means those of us who used our vouchers, now have to spend more money to use them on plugs we're probably not really interested in, but buy because they're cheap at $4 (with $25 voucher) or free with $50 voucher, minimum spend means those cheap plugs aren't as cheap especially for us Euro's with that 20% extra VAT added on top

Its not working like that for me. I didn't use my $50 voucher (with $100 min spend) because there's nothing I wanted to buy at that price. I'm not spending $50 plus VAT on something I don't need in order to "save" $50.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

As is the PA way, they could've handled this better. However, are you really complaining that you can no longer get plugins for $4, or free? f**k!

Well done on completely missing the point

It's certainly possible. Perhaps you could let me which bit i misunderstood.

[Digivolt]

How did el-bo miss the point? That's the core of your complaint. Maybe you don't want to admit it.

If PA wanted to stop people "abusing" vouchers, they could just tie them to account instead of enforcing a minimum spend onto them, it suggests that the issue isn't the abuse but that PA wasn't making enough money from the abuse

I don't care that vouchers will now be worthless to me, as I said I already got everything I wanted from PA

But throw your false accusations around I would expect no less from the 4chan lite board

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

How did el-bo miss the point? That's the core of your complaint. Maybe you don't want to admit it.

If PA wanted to stop people "abusing" vouchers, they could just tie them to account instead of enforcing a minimum spend onto them, it suggests that the issue isn't the abuse but that PA wasn't making enough money from the abuse

I don't care that vouchers will now be worthless to me, as I said I already got everything I wanted from PA

But throw your false accusations around I would expect no less from the 4chan lite board

Ok, so I didn't get it wrong

[Obsolete236871]

As is the PA way, they could've handled this better. However, are you really complaining that you can no longer get plugins for $4, or free? f**k!

Well, in the past PA frequently offered plugins for $29 during sales. So, if I had a voucher sitting in my account, I could have used that on such a plugin and paid only $4. I don't see why it would be considered immoral if I use an official voucher given to me on a temporary discounted plugin? I don't see how their new policy is in the interest of their customers, if they now require you to spend at least $35 (or is it $39?) before you can apply your voucher. That either means that they will no longer offer discounted plugins in the $29 range or that you would have to buy at least 2 plugins in that range (= $58) to make use of a $25 voucher.

Please correct me if I got this wrong, I quickly tried to read that mail, but found the wording very confusing. Should have gotten my morning coffee.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

As is the PA way, they could've handled this better. However, are you really complaining that you can no longer get plugins for $4, or free? f**k!

Well, in the past PA frequently offered plugins for $29 during sales. So, if I had a voucher sitting in my account, I could have used that on such a plugin and paid only $4. I don't see why it would be considered immoral if I use an official voucher given to me on a temporary discounted plugin? I don't see how their new policy is in the interest of their customers, if they now require you to spend at least $35 (or is it $39?) before you can apply your voucher. That either means that they will no longer offer discounted plugins in the $29 range or that you would have to buy at least 2 plugins in that range (= $58) to make use of a $25 voucher.

Please correct me if I got this wrong, I quickly tried to read that mail, but found the wording very confusing. Should have gotten my morning coffee.

I know how the $4 sales worked, as I amassed a small selection of plugins doing exactly the same thing. And if you used a voucher that they sent to your email account, as a loyalty reward, then there is nothing questionable about it. I'm not even suggesting it was immoral to pass/sell the vouchers to others - not because it wasn't at least a bit questionable, but because it was 'allowed' (I'd find it hard to believe that PA were unaware) to go on for so long that it almost seemed to be encouraged (Apparently, they'd expressed some kind of dissatisfaction before, however it obviously didn't filter-down to the KVR Market, as they'd surely have taken steps to outlaw the trades/sales).

My point was that I can't believe people are bitching that PA has set a minimum threshold for voucher usage.

My view is that they should have been pre-emptive, long ago with regard to the vouchers, AND introduced a minimum spend. As someone who is unemployed, and doesn't make a cent from my music, I understand wanting to get my hands on great quality plugins for as cheap as possible. But people deserve to get paid for their work, and even lines of clone-able code should hold some value/worth. PA's catalogue certainly isn't as much as their MSRP suggests, but it's worth much more than most of us greedy f**kers seem to be bothered to pay

[Digivolt]

My point was that I can't believe people are bitching that PA has set a minimum threshold for voucher usage.

Because their reason for doing so is bullshit

"Guys we don't want you abusing our vouchers but instead of actually stopping you from doing this from our end, we're going to charge you more money to keep abusing them"

Are you really that stupid to not understand ?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

My point was that I can't believe people are bitching that PA has set a minimum threshold for voucher usage.

Because their reason for doing so is bullshit

"Guys we don't want you abusing our vouchers but instead of actually stopping you from doing this from our end, we're going to charge you more money to keep abusing them"

Are you really that stupid to not understand ?

No! You've misunderstood. The point of your post that I took issue with, was the bitching about the price-increase. And my point still stands

[escalona]

My point was that I can't believe people are bitching that PA has set a minimum threshold for voucher usage.

Because their reason for doing so is bullshit

"Guys we don't want you abusing our vouchers but instead of actually stopping you from doing this from our end, we're going to charge you more money to keep abusing them"

Are you really that stupid to not understand ?

The thing is, if they require 3 months of hard work to change three lines of HTML code in their website (re: previous transfer policy debacle, out of which this thread was born)... how do you think they´re going to deal with linking vouchers to personal accounts?
(In case it's not fully clear, I agree with you Digivolt)

[imrae]

New policy is reasonable enough, but the rationale given is ludicrous. What are we meant to think of the programming skills of a company that can't even implement a working loyalty scheme?

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

New policy is reasonable enough, but the rationale given is ludicrous.

Yes! Their rationales, back-pedalling, and generally f**king things up, from a PR perspective, is indeed ludicrous. I don't think anyone is in disagreement.

What are we meant to think of the programming skills of a company that can't even implement a working loyalty scheme?

Assuming you own some of their products, why don't you check for yourself?

[JerGoertz]

Last month (October) I was able to get 4 plugins for a total spend of $4. Yep, $1 per plugin. I don't feel *bad* about that, as I was simply following their rules and using the vouchers provided to me, but I certainly don't fault them for wanting to put an end to that sort of thing. And for those complaining "but PA plugins are bad/boring!!!111!!", it just smacks of trying to justify entitlement to getting them on the cheap. At least 2 of the plugins I got aren't "bad" by any means, and the others I just picked up to round out my voucher without really trying them out (so they could be good/bad AFAIK).