Plugin Alliance new transfer policy caused concerns and is corrected...
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- KVRAF
- 2066 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo
While it felt weird to me to get free plugins with something as little as a $25 voucher, considering they priced things on sale below that meant they surely knew it would happen. If they consider that "abuse" I find it absurd since they tell you each time the voucher is a gift, didn't know there were strings attached like buying a second plugin you don't want and would never use. And it's radically different from selling and profiting from the voucher, which I do consider abuse of good will. Which could easily have been prevented with a technical and social solution. It would have also stopped voucher giveaways, which surely generated sales and brought in new customers. To pin this all on customers is disingenuous.
So I can't exactly feel sorry for them digging their own holes to attract a customer base that lowered price expectations and created a healthy secondhand market full of regrets (and they know it considering Dirk showcased the used license as the canonical example). How many people outside of their tightly-controlled website and forums are as enthusiastic about the entire portfolio? They're trying to fight market reality. Good luck!
Now I do agree that giving plugins away isn't a good business model and I'm fine with them putting an end to that. But pricing a minimum spend requiring the purchase of at least two plugins is a no-go for me—I don't do buyer's remorse and I find that predatory. There is hardly anything I actually want in their catalog, and most of what I do I already have. I've gone months letting the voucher go because there's nothing worth it to buy except for the "no-brainer" plugins I would not have purchased at a greater price.
A $32 minimum spend for the $25 voucher is way above no-brainer territory. I support them for wanting a minimum margin but I am being real, I don't see myself buying much because this math doesn't work out, and the actual good plugins are far and few between. If there was a standard minimum spend per product regardless of voucher amount that was within frivolous purchase territory then that'd be different.
Anyway, I'm sure we'll see yet another batch of changes when they see the new sales numbers. What other developer/shop requires its own thread to keep track of how they conduct business so regularly?
So I can't exactly feel sorry for them digging their own holes to attract a customer base that lowered price expectations and created a healthy secondhand market full of regrets (and they know it considering Dirk showcased the used license as the canonical example). How many people outside of their tightly-controlled website and forums are as enthusiastic about the entire portfolio? They're trying to fight market reality. Good luck!
Now I do agree that giving plugins away isn't a good business model and I'm fine with them putting an end to that. But pricing a minimum spend requiring the purchase of at least two plugins is a no-go for me—I don't do buyer's remorse and I find that predatory. There is hardly anything I actually want in their catalog, and most of what I do I already have. I've gone months letting the voucher go because there's nothing worth it to buy except for the "no-brainer" plugins I would not have purchased at a greater price.
A $32 minimum spend for the $25 voucher is way above no-brainer territory. I support them for wanting a minimum margin but I am being real, I don't see myself buying much because this math doesn't work out, and the actual good plugins are far and few between. If there was a standard minimum spend per product regardless of voucher amount that was within frivolous purchase territory then that'd be different.
Anyway, I'm sure we'll see yet another batch of changes when they see the new sales numbers. What other developer/shop requires its own thread to keep track of how they conduct business so regularly?
- addled muppet weed
- 111293 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
bloody companies going round trying to make money!
where will it end?
where will it end?
- KVRAF
- 43986 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from clown world
An Open Letter To Dirk,
WTF is wrong with you maaaaaaaaaaan ?
Best Regards,
WTF is wrong with you maaaaaaaaaaan ?
Best Regards,
This is the same method MJ used when he was working on Anthony Marinelli's Thriller.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
- KVRian
- 1369 posts since 29 Apr, 2012 from Paris
+1000yehboy1 wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:34 pm This company is like the Real Housewives of Plugins. Self-created drama every month.
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- KVRAF
- 1542 posts since 16 Jan, 2018 from Portland, OR USA
Post of the year!!!!yehboy1 wrote: Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:34 pm This company is like the Real Housewives of Plugins. Self-created drama every month.
“In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.”
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simon.a.billington simon.a.billington https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=341278
- KVRAF
- 2596 posts since 12 Nov, 2014
I think that’s probably the point. Stopping people buying plugins on sale price and then reselling them for a profit.robotmonkey wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:58 pm Doesn't seem that bad if you're not in the second hand license selling business.
The only thing that my be concerning is that the license becomes NFR after second transfer.
I think it’s perfectly reasonable myself.
- Banned
- 1792 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg
The final stage has been reached:
The so called Black Friday offers of Plugin Alliance so far are lame, lame, lame...
This and the devaluation of the vouchers mark the end of a glorious era.
RIP Plugin Alliance!
The so called Black Friday offers of Plugin Alliance so far are lame, lame, lame...
This and the devaluation of the vouchers mark the end of a glorious era.
RIP Plugin Alliance!
- Banned
- 1792 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg
The only thing which can soothe my worrying mind is LION for 99 bucks.
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- KVRAF
- 2066 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo
If you're referring to second-generation transfers becoming NFR, they got rid of that some months ago. A license can be transferred multiple times as long as the $20 fee is paid. With the voucher minimum you can't get free transfers any more.
The only true NFR plugins right now are the free ones.
Other odd scenarios: You can't transfer multiples of a plugin, you must sell all of them together (they effectively become 1 license worth). You can't transfer a previously transferred plugin where the transfer fee hasn't been paid.
The current policy is here, you need to be logged in to see it (it brings up your eligible licenses): https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/tran ... cense.html
