I think it was possibly true about 10-15 years ago ... things have changed.DPhil wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:59 pmSource please. I mean for the "why most professionals use it" claim.christian f. wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:46 pmMac is pretty much a "closed" plug and play environment which is why most professionals use it.
Are any Pro Musos and Studio producers using Windows?
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240 - KVRAF
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None of them use Windows, and all of them reside here at KVR. More importantly, if they don't have a tat, earring, or a backwards hat, they aren't legit -- even top classical composers will vouch.
Have you tried Vital?
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and a monocle and pipe for the real pros.Psuper wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:29 pm None of them use Windows, and all of them reside here at KVR. More importantly, if they don't have a tat, earring, or a backwards hat, they aren't legit -- even top classical composers will vouch.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
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how do you do!
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A boy named?
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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Usually with the right hand.
"I was wondering if you'd like to try Magic Mushrooms"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
"Oooh I dont know. Sounds a bit scary"
"It's not scary. You just lose a sense of who you are and all that sh!t"
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x.
it's not a question, though it may appear as such, it's a greeting and the reply is "how do you do!"
no one really cares "how you are doing" in pro society.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
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Yep, exactly.Atlatnesiti wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:55 am Topic says it all. All I can see everywhere that all top DJ’s and pro studio musos/composers use Apple Macs and iPads for music composing performing and production.
Are Windows based computers for “bedroom” music makers only?
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Obsolete236871 Obsolete236871 https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=236871
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To be fair: I think it's true that many professionals (= people actually earning money with what they do) are on a Mac based system, whether we talk about music composition and production or audio engineering. But to put that into perspective: 95% of people using audio software and hardware are not professionals (= not regularly making an income from music / audio related work).
These are the main reasons why professionals often use Macs:
Since many audio people want to work on a mobile machine / laptop they simply choose a Macbook since they know that this is a reliable machine (apart from the frequent issues you will get whenever Apple releases a new OS update, but you can just stay with an older version to avoid the hassle). When you buy a Windows laptop, you will never really know what you will get, since all kinds of problems can occur due to the hardware (eg internal graphics, wifi-module etcetera) and driver issues. For example: I used to have a Toshiba laptop which was very reliable and never gave me problems in over a decade of use. My current computer is a HP Probook, which is a completely unreliable machine and causes a lot of glitches and even BSODs (blue screens) due to issues with hardware and drivers that won't resolve through simply getting the latest drivers unfortunately. You would actually have to check every available Windows laptop on the market in all it's various variants with a tool like LatencyMon to get an overview over which models are suitable for realtime audio at all, while with a Macbook you simply know it's suitable. That's a huge advantage, if you are willing to spend the extra money. I'm quite happy with my older Windows i5 desktop computer which I mainly use for audio related stuff and don't plan on getting a Mac anytime soon, especially not before they get their frequent OS update troubles under control. Also, many audio guys feel like Apple is moving away from the pro users and neglecting them and have since moved to Windows based systems.
These are the main reasons why professionals often use Macs:
- They earn money doing what they do, so they have money and an incentive to invest in a (supposedly) better performing computer / operating system
- They have an incentive to use standard tools of the trade (= the tools that are popular among most of their colleagues) in order to make file exchange and collaborative editing easier. They would much rather not use a rare 32bit synth or compressor that was released in 1998 on a subforum of KVR and is no longer supported for example, but prefer to use tools that are current and popular
Since many audio people want to work on a mobile machine / laptop they simply choose a Macbook since they know that this is a reliable machine (apart from the frequent issues you will get whenever Apple releases a new OS update, but you can just stay with an older version to avoid the hassle). When you buy a Windows laptop, you will never really know what you will get, since all kinds of problems can occur due to the hardware (eg internal graphics, wifi-module etcetera) and driver issues. For example: I used to have a Toshiba laptop which was very reliable and never gave me problems in over a decade of use. My current computer is a HP Probook, which is a completely unreliable machine and causes a lot of glitches and even BSODs (blue screens) due to issues with hardware and drivers that won't resolve through simply getting the latest drivers unfortunately. You would actually have to check every available Windows laptop on the market in all it's various variants with a tool like LatencyMon to get an overview over which models are suitable for realtime audio at all, while with a Macbook you simply know it's suitable. That's a huge advantage, if you are willing to spend the extra money. I'm quite happy with my older Windows i5 desktop computer which I mainly use for audio related stuff and don't plan on getting a Mac anytime soon, especially not before they get their frequent OS update troubles under control. Also, many audio guys feel like Apple is moving away from the pro users and neglecting them and have since moved to Windows based systems.
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the story of superior mac systems only used in pro audio environments has been overhault long time ago. sure we know of studios being built with mac systems and being run with them for long time. but also many took the chance too and switched to pc when they renewed their studios together with their software. imo what makes mac at least somewhat attractive is Logic but it's not like there are dozen other DAWs in this universe. when i've sent something out to mastering studios or visited recording studios for band meeting, they've used windows.