Hell freezes over..TTOZ ditches logic and his mac for SX2 PC

[kp]

[quote="Mr. Slater's Parrot"][quote]Erm, it's (usually) a tad easier than that. Arm the track that the VSTi (wrapped as DXi) feeds its audio out to for Record Automation and the actions of the knobs in the GUI will be recorded as DX8 automation in that track. This possibily doesn't work with all synths, but it works with a lot of them that I've tried it with (also for FX in the FX bin in the same way).[/quote]

That method only works if you insert the (wrapped) VSTi into the effects bin of the audio track (the old method) instead of using Sonar's Synth Rack.

It also has the limitation that you have to record the UI control motions in a separate pass from recording the midi notes. kuniklo said, originally, that he wanted to play the instrument and tweak the knobs at the same time. In order to do that, you have to record midi cc's as I suggested because Record and Record Automation can't run at the same time in Sonar (unless there is some magic that I don't know about -- let me know if there is :) ).

Also, if your VSTi doesn't support midi learn, Chainer will do the job for it.

If you are willing to use the effects bin instead of the Synth Rack and if you are willing to record the control automation separately from the midi note data and if you don't need to add midi-learn to a non-midi-learn VSTi, then the above method will do the job.

Apologies for the OT -- just trying to clear up a side issue.[/quote]

Very true - I almost always put single output synths in the FX bin now anyway (apart from something like the new TTS-1, I think the only mult-out soft-synth I have is DR-008) so had forgotten about that.

[TVD]

The transition is now final. I don't see how Ben can call me Granny Smith anymore
I actually haven't turned the mac on for a month and realized that i am getting very used to CubaseSX, and that there's just too many Win only synths I adore, and i really would rather have only one box. SO while my mac and cinema screen are currently fetching ridiculously high prices at ebay (who knows why macs are worth so much here in oz), i am enjoying making music with my favorite sounds again. i do miss logic, but that's it now, I have even converted most of my logic songs (very painful process), and put logic on ebay as well.

Thought I'd just let you all know!

Welcome to the PC family Ttoz!

[TVD]

It's a sad day... George Bush likes PCs, you know...

... but he's dumb enough to use a Mac

And John Kerry like them both. The flipfloper!

[TVD]

I believe G.W.Bush knows how to use a computer like I believe he made it through Yale without his daddies bank account

-j

Each member of Skills & Bones has his/her own bank account.

[stag]

Mind you it's not all roses. With logic on Pc I could get 10 ambience instances on my 3200XP, running 5.8 ms latency continuously, no dropouts. On SX with same system I get 9, with occasional dropouts at 7ms! 10 just stops playback altogether! so there IS a difference, and proves my point all along that logic's audio engine is more efficient than SX. It's just so many synths that I couldn't handle not having, plus the fact with the sale of the mac I'll be having a very nice vacation next year

Hi ttoz:
regarding audio engine efficiency does logic have PDC ?
It´s the coolest feature for people runninc PoCo and UAD-1 pluggs and many others that introduce latency on the signal path but it has a downside ,it´s a CPU hog.
the good news are : i have taken the two towers bench mark on SX3 and the CPU use has dropped 5% wich
denotes a lot of progress.

All the best

[Kim Lajoie]

Hi ttoz:
regarding audio engine efficiency does logic have PDC ?
It´s the coolest feature for people runninc PoCo and UAD-1 pluggs and many others that introduce latency on the signal path but it has a downside ,it´s a CPU hog.

Huh? PDC is a CPU hog? Wtf?

Forever,




Kim.

[kuniklo]

It also has the limitation that you have to record the UI control motions in a separate pass from recording the midi notes. kuniklo said, originally, that he wanted to play the instrument and tweak the knobs at the same time.

Right. This is the simple task I expect my host to perform - to let me play a vst the way a musician would play an instrument. I want to just start jamming and I want to be able to expect that what I play, including all the controls I touch, gets recorded and that I can later easily treat that performance as a coherent logical unit. As someone that's been playing acoustic guitar for 15 years or so and only recently started using the computer I've been really shocked to discover how difficult this is in most major music applications.

Ironically, one of the coolest things about Symptohm is that most of the live sound tweaking is all triggered by midi notes so it's automatically encoded along with the notes in a way all the hosts handle well.

[stag]

Hi ttoz:
regarding audio engine efficiency does logic have PDC ?
It´s the coolest feature for people runninc PoCo and UAD-1 pluggs and many others that introduce latency on the signal path but it has a downside ,it´s a CPU hog.

Huh? PDC is a CPU hog? Wtf?

Forever,




Kim.

PDC= Automatic Pluggin Delay Compensation ...Get it a feature Logic users miss along with offline process with unlimited undos(kinda freeze function that can be edited all the way) and many others.

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[Kim Lajoie]

Hi ttoz:
regarding audio engine efficiency does logic have PDC ?
It´s the coolest feature for people runninc PoCo and UAD-1 pluggs and many others that introduce latency on the signal path but it has a downside ,it´s a CPU hog.

Huh? PDC is a CPU hog? Wtf?

Forever,

Kim.

PDC= Automatic Pluggin Delay Compensation ...Get it a feature Logic users miss along with offline process with unlimited undos(kinda freeze function that can be edited all the way) and many others.

I know what PDC is... I just don't see how it could take vast amounts of CPU.

... Logic doesn't have unlimited undo? What is this - 1995?

Forever,




Kim.

[kuniklo]

... Logic doesn't have unlimited undo? What is this - 1995?

Forever,
Kim.

It doesn't, but it does save undo information in the project file so you can load a saved project and undo the last several changes you made on it, which is pretty cool.

[Kim Lajoie]

... Logic doesn't have unlimited undo? What is this - 1995?

Forever,
Kim.

It doesn't, but it does save undo information in the project file so you can load a saved project and undo the last several changes you made on it, which is pretty cool.

What do you mean, does it save a different "version" each time you save the project, so you can go back to any previous version?

Forever,




Kim.

[kuniklo]

What do you mean, does it save a different "version" each time you save the project, so you can go back to any previous version?

Forever,

Kim.

It saves the undo history along with the song so it's available when you re-load it. I'm not sure what it does if one of your edits was deleting a huge audio region or something like that.

Oh, and in Logic 7 undo is unlimited.

[stag]

I know what PDC is... I just don't see how it could take vast amounts of CPU.

... Logic doesn't have unlimited undo? What is this - 1995?

Forever,




Kim.

Okay :take the freeze function ,when applied to a track unless you unfreeze it you can´t edit any further ,is it rigth? only works well at a final stage of a project.

On Nuendo or cubase on audio tracks you can apply any Fx offline with the purpose off freeing CPU ,cutting and pasting still aplies or any other editing as aplying any other FX.

this processing can be saved as batch eg.:denoise,normalse,remove dc offset ,compression ,EQ or whatever and apply to similar tracks.

there is audio process history saved to all files and then undo in case someone fells like change it.

this feature is implemmented on nuendo since the beggining and SX1 too.

and on my IMO it draws the line bettwen the toys and pro apps.

[kuniklo]

Okay :take the freeze function ,when applied to a track unless you unfreeze it you can´t edit any further ,is it rigth? only works well at a final stage of a project.

On Nuendo or cubase on audio tracks you can apply any Fx offline with the purpose off freeing CPU ,cutting and pasting still aplies or any other editing as aplying any other FX.

this processing can be saved as batch eg.:denoise,normalse,remove dc offset ,compression ,EQ or whatever and apply to similar tracks.

there is audio process history saved to all files and then undo in case someone fells like change it.

this feature is implemmented on nuendo since the beggining and SX1 too.

and on my IMO it draws the line bettwen the toys and pro apps.

Freeze was also so slow it was useless until SX3, which finally got it right.

It's easy to cherry pick features to make one host look better than another, but the simple fact is that "professionals" use Logic, Cubase, Sonar and Protools. More often than not it seems like people tend to consider the host they personally spent the most money on to be the most "pro".