ReFx Nexus 3 (N3) Finally here!

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Ploki
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1256 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:01 am

why does nexus get so much hate and omnisphere so much praise? literally the same kind of software, one targeted at cinematic and one at EDM, but both are preset-surfer romplers, not "synths" in the manner of, being a synth.

steve.lindqvist
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231 posts since 20 Jan, 2019

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:11 am

This is certainly connected with the usual hate (here) against commercial music. In addition, Omnisphere is much more versatile and can also read samples (recently). But the bottom line is that you're right, especially since most Omnisphere users just fire the presets and adjust them only slightly.

Does Lang Lang build his own piano? Do film composers have to carve their own violins first? Does a drummer have to make his own drums?

But there's always a primitive double moral on presets. Complete nonsense.
And even if I now again unintentionally become personal (so no offense). These statements mostly come from people who have neither releases nor music to stand, which is enjoyable by the general public. But that would be a style and quality debate again, of course there's no arguing about that.

I want to make music and not cut down trees to build a piano.
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Teksonik
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12971 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:11 am

Probably because Omnisphere isn't a "preset-surfer rompler".

https://www.spectrasonics.net/products/ ... atures.php

•Powerful Granular Synthesis for amazing transformations
•Wavetable Synthesis - Each waveform is a Morphing Wavetable
•Deeper FM/Ring Modulation capabilities for aggressive timbres
• Dual Filter architecture includes more than 34 Filter algorithms in series or parallel
•Up to 20 oscillators per patch can be either DSP synth or sample-based
•Sample-based soundsources can be processed with synthesis features
steve.lindqvist wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:11 am
most Omnisphere users just fire the presets and adjust them only slightly.
I'm impressed that you personally know "most Omnisphere users" that you can say for certain how they use the plugin........ :tu:
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samsam
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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:12 am

Ploki wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:01 am
why does nexus get so much hate and omnisphere so much praise? literally the same kind of software, one targeted at cinematic and one at EDM, but both are preset-surfer romplers, not "synths" in the manner of, being a synth.
So much lack of knowledge it hurts.

Ploki
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1256 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:21 am

Teksonik wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:11 am
Probably because Omnisphere isn't a "preset-surfer rompler".
yeah sure, and 2.6 update NOW HAS 14000 PRESETS *everybody claps* weighing in at hefty 60GB. Your typical synth.
It has even less of a character than Alchemy, its akin more to heavy keyboard workstations of the yesteryear than to an actual synth.
samsam wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:12 am
So much lack of knowledge it hurts.
hey, it's not my fault they made omnisphere into what it is. Could've been great.

steve.lindqvist
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231 posts since 20 Jan, 2019

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:29 am

Teksonik wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:11 am
I'm impressed that you personally know "most Omnisphere users" that you can say for certain how they use the plugin........ :tu:
No, I certainly don't. I should have added "that I know". Excuse the generalization. In addition, I've been using Omnisphere since it was called Atmosphere and at the time it was just a super simple rompler based on the UVI engine with some extra features (then called Plugsound, which was born from sample manufacturer Universe Sons, if I call it correctly). Nexus not dissimilar. In the meantime, Nexus has also grown and most underestimate what it can do despite its focus on presets.

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Teksonik
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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:30 am

Ploki wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:21 am
yeah sure, and 2.6 update NOW HAS 14000 PRESETS *everybody claps* weighing in at hefty 60GB. Your typical synth.
It has even less of a character than Alchemy, its akin more to heavy keyboard workstations of the yesteryear than to an actual synth.
The problem is your definition of "synthesis" is myopic. Just because a Synth can use samples doesn't mean it isn't a synth.

"Synthesizers use various methods to generate electronic signals (sounds). Among the most popular waveform synthesis techniques are subtractive synthesis, additive synthesis, wavetable synthesis, frequency modulation synthesis, phase distortion synthesis, physical modeling synthesis and sample-based synthesis".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer

There is a whole world of synthesis beyond a Saw Wave through a Low Pass filter if you'd just open your mind.

So Omnisphere comes with 14,000 presets. Obviously with just the features I listed above it's clear you can make your own patches....if you possess the skills. :wink:
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chk071
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22455 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:32 am

Teksonik wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:11 am
Probably because Omnisphere isn't a "preset-surfer rompler".
Nexus isn't that either. Rather a paintbox with production ready sounds for people who... actually make music.

Yes, that means it isn't for me. :P Doesn't mean that there isn't a gazillion of, yes, pros, who use it for their stuff.

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DJ Warmonger
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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:36 am

Disclaimer: No puppy was ever harmed in a process of making music with Nexus or Omnisphere.

Heck, I once used Nexus, but I don't anymore. I prefer sound design, experimentation and full control. Simple as that :shrug:
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Ploki
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1256 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:51 am

Teksonik wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:30 am
The problem is your definition of "synthesis" is myopic. Just because a Synth can use samples doesn't mean it isn't a synth.

"Synthesizers use various methods to generate electronic signals (sounds). Among the most popular waveform synthesis techniques are subtractive synthesis, additive synthesis, wavetable synthesis, frequency modulation synthesis, phase distortion synthesis, physical modeling synthesis and sample-based synthesis".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthesizer

There is a whole world of synthesis beyond a Saw Wave through a Low Pass filter if you'd just open your mind.

So Omnisphere comes with 14,000 presets. Obviously with just the features I listed above it's clear you can make your own patches....if you possess the skills. :wink:
Hey, I was experimenting with synthesizing sound with Max via electromagnetic coils to grand piano strings, and did my own karplus-strong stuff (also in Max), and I often do sound design with -samples- in alchemy - which is pretty similar to omnisphere, in just about every regard.

However, if a "synths" main selling point is 14000 presets and 60gigs of data "acoustic and electronic and classic moog sounds", it's obviously targeted at preset-surfing "all types of sound here" not synthesis - and omnishperes interface is pretty obviously targeted at that as well.
(Not to be one-sided, i have exact same quip with Alchemy.)
As I said, like big keyboard workstations of yesteryear (as opposed to one-trick pony specialised synths)

Didn't imply that something is inherently wrong with that either (okay maybe a little), just wondered why one gets praise and the other is frowned upon in the community.

Caine123
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6155 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:57 am

So much bullshit here .....

So if a synth can load layers of samples it is only awesome additional feature. You dont have to use it. Use it as a synth and nothung else. Since when do you complain about more features and more content? Oh my....
So if a synth comes out with 300 presets you are happy? But with 10.000 presets it has to be 90% shit presets i guess lol.
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m-ac
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457 posts since 18 Dec, 2007

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:57 am

Nexus is pretty damn tweakable, you can go from a smooth pad to a pitched down distorted delayed pluck in 60 seconds flat. 98% of the time, thats as much customisation as I need.

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zvenx
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7337 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:11 am

Caine123 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:57 am
So much bullshit here .....

So if a synth can load layers of samples it is only awesome additional feature. You dont have to use it. Use it as a synth and nothung else. Since when do you complain about more features and more content? Oh my....
So if a synth comes out with 300 presets you are happy? But with 10.000 presets it has to be 90% shit presets i guess lol.
I too had a hard time understanding the 'logic' behind their posit.

Although I am not sure even the logic of me responding :), I had vowed years ago to stop responding to Omnisphere is a rompler foolishness.
Even if Eric licensed Diva engine and put it in omnisphere, some will stay say omnisphere is a rompler.
Their Hardware profile bank which includes 1600 new presets are almost all exclusively made from omnisphere's synth engine (notable exceptions are the 27 or so D50 inspired patches).
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Ploki
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1256 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:16 am

It's a matter of preference - i'm gonna stop stirring shit. :D sorry, carry on.

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zvenx
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7337 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

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Post Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:19 am

Ploki wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:16 am
It's a matter of preference - i'm gonna stop stirring shit. :D sorry, carry on.
But it can't be preferences whether it is a synth or not.
If you prefer a BMW and I prefer a Mercedes Benz, that is a matter of preference, that they are both vehicles is not a preference but a point of fact.
No?

You may not like omnisphere and I have no issue with that, but it is not a rompler..that isn't a matter of preference but a point of fact.
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