New ExpressiveE instrument: Osmose
- KVRian
- 821 posts since 11 Aug, 2018 from UE
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- KVRian
- 821 posts since 11 Aug, 2018 from UE
A nice information:
The haken engine into osmose is the 6x version( the basic continuum, without extension is 2x version)
The haken engine into osmose is the 6x version( the basic continuum, without extension is 2x version)
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- KVRAF
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Obviously, it actually feels like actual keys and not like silicone which is weird, and the way black keys are set up on Roli makes playing certain chords much more difficult than on proper keys.
That, plus sensors on Osmose are more precise and scan at much faster rate (which is sort of a requirement for MPE+ support, really - which Roli doesn't support due to their own engineering shortcomings).
Also let's quote mr. Charlie Clouser from another forum:
Charlie Clouser wrote:The Continuum is strange, wonderful, and exotic - and it can do things that no other instrument can do - but it takes practice, precision, and patience. The multi-finger slide capability is unique and unequalled though, however it's $$$$$$$$$$$$.
The Linnstrument is cheap-n-cheerful (ish) and is responsive in exactly the way you'd hope, and while the "fretboard" layout may be exactly perfect for guitar players, it takes a little front-brain thinking for me to zip around on it. But the light guides help quite a bit. Slides are do-able (ish), but it ain't a Continuum. Still, no regrets there either.
The Roli never felt right to me, so I never got one - and I'm glad I didn't because for me the Osmose seems more playable and more like what I hoped the Roli would be.
For me, the K-Board Pro4 is the only real competition for the Osmose, but it's not apples-to-apples. The K-Board feels a bit weird to play since the keys don't really move - but it DOES have front-to-back sensors, which the Osmose doesn't have. I've played both, and although the Osmose I played was a rough prototype it took no time to adjust to it. You can move your fingers purely by reflex and what you expect will happen is exactly what happens. The K-Board is just a little too different to a normal, switch-based keyboard and it takes a bit more time to adjust to it. Not a huge price difference if you get in on the pre-order price for the Osmose too.
So for me I think the Osmose will get the coveted position front-and-center.
No, not that. Watch the videos on their website that go through all the gestures to see what's it about. Allows you to do tremolo picking sort of stuff, which no other MPE controller can do.
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- 559 posts since 9 Sep, 2019
Hi, Bones. I really have no time to explain this to you personally, as I've done it partially in this thread and more extensively in the 'Roli Seaboard RISE' thread... Or else Hink might restrict me from writing/posting.
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- 559 posts since 9 Sep, 2019
Not a Roil's thread but what do you mean, Mario? Roli's black keys go across the whole depth front to back of the surface, so chords should not be a problem.EvilDragon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:13 am Obviously, it actually feels like actual keys and not like silicone which is weird, and the way black keys are set up on Roli makes playing certain chords much more difficult than on proper keys.
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- 559 posts since 9 Sep, 2019
I asked Expressive E in the comments on one of their Youtube video demos and they responded that the Pitch Bend range (presumably the one for the keys, not Pitch Bend Wheel or Slider) can be adjusted (not just to adjacent pitch).
I hope it is what it should be.
I hope it is what it should be.
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- KVRAF
- 16369 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
Yes! The extended chord point can definitely be a little bit of an issue. However, the silicone material is a hugely integral factor in my enjoyment of playing the SeaboardEvilDragon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:13 amit actually feels like actual keys and not like silicone which is weird, and the way black keys are set up on Roli makes playing certain chords much more difficult than on proper keys.
- KVRAF
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
I mean Roli's controller doesn't feel like an actual keyboard, but a strange alien surface, and black keys are easier to miss than hit with the way they're designed. It's really hard to correctly hit, say, Cm7 chord, whereas it's a cinch on a regular keyboard.Pashkuli wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:28 amNot a Roil's thread but what do you mean, Mario? Roli's black keys go across the whole depth front to back of the surface, so chords should not be a problem.EvilDragon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:13 am Obviously, it actually feels like actual keys and not like silicone which is weird, and the way black keys are set up on Roli makes playing certain chords much more difficult than on proper keys.
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- 559 posts since 9 Sep, 2019
That is true, though subjective. Some people like it. Me - I think they could have done it better.EvilDragon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:56 am I mean Roli's controller doesn't feel like an actual keyboard, but a strange alien surface, and black keys are easier to miss than hit with the way they're designed. It's really hard to correctly hit, say, Cm7 chord, whereas it's a cinch on a regular keyboard.
Yes, I understand now what you mean. As someone said in the RISE's thread, it was not meant to resemble nor represent a piano keyboard, rather a new "dimensional touch" or whatever "squishy" feel it is.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 11054 posts since 12 May, 2008
The Osmose definitely would not replace a seaboard for me as I quite like the squishy alien feeling of it, it's a different instrument. I'd never play a piano on it but I love it for what it does. I have a harder time with the linnstrument actually, which is the reverse of what I expected. I thought I'd take to the linnstrument easier, being a guitar player. But I'm finding myself either wanting to play a standard piano keyboard or the Rise.
I'll have to think about this one for a while. Would have liked to try it first, but that's a big price increase after the early bird price.
I'll have to think about this one for a while. Would have liked to try it first, but that's a big price increase after the early bird price.
- KVRAF
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Here's a plan - get the early bird price, sell it closer to retail price if you don't like it, after it's released to the masses. PROFIT!
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- 559 posts since 9 Sep, 2019
They are just different keyboard instruments (although technically Seaboard, Linnstrument, Sensel do not have keys per se). Linnstrument is a grid cell layout, can be configured to whatever scales, chords... somehow similar to Madrona, Axis-64 or Terpstra.Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:09 pm I have a harder time with the linnstrument actually, which is the reverse of what I expected.
This article by Rodger Linn and the currently presented Osmose, can prove that sometimes even techy geniuses might be wrong on certain claims.
Why the Piano's Note Layout Doesn't Work for Expressive Musical Control, but LinnStrument's does
I wish we could see some kind of collaboration between Expressive E, Haken Audio, Linn Design and Touchkeys. Yes, not going to be cheap (49 keys of Osmose is around $1800 at the moment).
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- 559 posts since 9 Sep, 2019
Do it then. Practice what you preach.EvilDragon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:46 pm Here's a plan - get the early bird price, sell it closer to retail price if you don't like it, after it's released to the masses. PROFIT!
- KVRAF
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
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- 559 posts since 9 Sep, 2019
Ah, pre-order. I see. That is good. So my estimation a few days ago was somehow close that 61 keys might cost around $2000US (with VAT in Europe, slightly more). $1080 is not that bad, but only for 49 keys. If the dendency is to go down with "some investment" it will become a market leader in 2-3 years.