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defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:02 am

DevonB wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:It's great but I could never afford this or justify paying that price for one plugin. If I got this, and say the latest two Sonaksis plugins (with even crazier prices) I'd be paying as much as I would for a new PC. I never understood the justification for "pro" pricing - to me it just seems like companies saying forget ordinary people who just want to make music, all we want is the big money people in the industry making big bucks can afford. It's like with SX and Nuendo (or Samplitude and Sequoia) - they both share a core sound engine and many features in common and even leapfrog each other in features and yet pricewise the difference is huge. No way would I accept that it took a significantly greater amount of time, energy, manpower etc to create Nuendo compared to SX when they are so closely linked. The price is just made up on the basis of the market it's aimed at rather than on the basis of what is affordable to the majority of users. Why should ordinary users have to put up with cut down versions all the time. Voxengo have the right idea there.
Think of it like a car; do you want some luxury european sports wagon, or will a cut-down cheap Ford do the job? They all have 4 wheels, and a steering wheel, and get you from point a to point b. So should the 'high end' vehicles be cheaper too?

Either way, you change what you feel your time is worth. If you like to give away your time for free, then dont' charge anything for your labor. On the other hand, if you have employees to pay, mouths to feed, and a living to make, charge what you feel is right. I'm sure they have a family to look after just like you and me.

Devon

+ aleksey is from russia and develops the plugs himself, he is a one-man-army(but a great one). i love the voxengo-prices but everybody should know, that developers in western countries have more to pay and maybe not only one person is involved, therefore not every company can offer this great voxengo-prices(or psp, they are from poland). the sonalksis plugs for example are really worth it, you would pay on protools twice and more the money for the same quality

Broken · Post by **Broken** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:39 am

loomchild · Post by **loomchild** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:00 am

+ price actually conveys information about who it is aiming at in the first place. A low price tag just does not sound professional and will be connotated as aiming at bedroom composers. This is mostly bullshit, of course, but this is the way it goes.

As for the price issue, I realize that despite what a lot of people on this forum seem to think, the software instruments and effects industry seems to be a very viable one, commercially speaking.

One single guy in his very room knowing how to code well enough can enter the market. There's no need for manufacturing, distributors network.... It just requires an email account and a deal with the likes of Shareit.

Places like KVR are providing all the advertisement you may need providing you are smart enough to be nice with the most influencial people of the board. Some may even freely contribute to make your "product" better, offering free presets, skins, etc...

This leads me to think that nearly all the plugins on the market are somewhat overpriced, unless they are based on technologies that requires licencing to a third party.

Of course, there are drawbacks: cracking, users that are never happy enough, bug fixes to write....but if those were that troublesome, would there be so many developpers and products?

Very nice reverb, btw.

vtd · Post by **vtd** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:56 pm

Here's an idea perhaps - how about someone contact Princeton Digital or maybe someone can manage a Group Buy sort of thing for this? It seems like a lot of people are interested/on the fence to get it.

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:27 pm

I just downloaded it...I have to wait one more day when I finish my run of nights to test it out...but I can't wait - salivating already. Maybe a decent native reverb is finally available? TBH, I'd given up trying natives, but if Robert recommends it, then I certainly want to try it.

As for the price thing...if it sounds like I hope it sounds...i.e. like the real h/w, then it's a real bargain at $200. I don't much use plates, but rooms are a different kettle of fish completely. For those who worry about the price - look at the price for the PT version - look at the h/w price. If you don't appreciate decent reverb, then carry on using Ambience or whatever.

You can get by with convolution reverbs, but they have obvious drawbacks. Many is the time I do a dub track, and want to boost up the reverb but also lengthen the RT60...with SIR etc I have to either double up on audio channels and use a separate instance of SIR, or render the reverb to audio. But that becomes impossible sometimes as you simply don't have the same reverb with an increased RT60, and the envelope function buggers up the feel of the reverb too. So it's impossible to use one instance of SIR and automate it to get the right results. It also generally means doubling up on CPU useage (or even more than double). So if this 2016 verb sounds right, I can now keep the same reverb running and mess about with automation - increase RT60, change Eqs etc, and even change patches for those dubby breakdowns without gobbling up huge amounts of CPU.
Oh boy - I'm excited!

And if they release further algorithms all priced at $200, I still consider it bargain time each time. And the general history of s/w is that in time it becomes cheaper and more generally available. And if initial buzz is anything to go by, it doesn't even use much CPU....oh boyoboyoboy...I'm even more excited - please don't let it be another disappointment

So Robert.....you seriously tested it out yet? How's it compare with the real thing? Is it the bargain I think it is? Am I going to be in big wobbly dubalicious heaven? Am I, am I, are we there yet? Are we there yet?

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:47 pm

I have the demo, still havent put it "head to head" yet.

Ill certainly say something when I get a chance. Sometime later this week hopefully

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:48 pm

kritikon wrote: And if they release further algorithms all priced at $200, I still consider it bargain time each time. And the general history of s/w is that in time it becomes cheaper and more generally available. And if initial buzz is anything to go by, it doesn't even use much CPU....oh boyoboyoboy...I'm even more excited - please don't let it be another disappointment

I'm extremely impressed so far. 5% CPU on my Intel 2.53gHz machine to boot. No head to head against DreamVerb or my Eventide DSP4000 yet, but damn, it just sounds good.

Devon

vtd · Post by **vtd** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:15 am

I'm extremely impressed so far. 5% CPU on my Intel 2.53gHz machine to boot. No head to head against DreamVerb or my Eventide DSP4000 yet, but damn, it just sounds good.

I just got DreamVerb - not very experienced with it yet, but I'd like to know how you think it's better. Also how are you're able to get rich deep sounds with it compared to this Princeton reverb. I can't quite get the intimacy, largeness, lushness with DreamVerb. Thanks in advance.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:21 am

vtd wrote:
I'm extremely impressed so far. 5% CPU on my Intel 2.53gHz machine to boot. No head to head against DreamVerb or my Eventide DSP4000 yet, but damn, it just sounds good.
I just got DreamVerb - not very experienced with it yet, but I'd like to know how you think it's better. Also how are you're able to get rich deep sounds with it compared to this Princeton reverb. I can't quite get the intimacy, largeness, lushness with DreamVerb. Thanks in advance.

Ummm re-read what I wrote.

Dreamverb though is MUCH more versatile, obviously.

Devon

vtd · Post by **vtd** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:27 am

Oh, my mistake. I thought you meant not head to head (as in doesn't match up to).

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:35 am

After all this fuss, I figure I had to try it out at least. I got to say, I don't know if I've heard a reverb plugin sound this nice before. I tried with piano, organ, and drums seperately up against 4 other reverbs I have just to see if I could spot the difference.

This one sounded very good. I quite like the effect positioning and EQ has on it. Who'da thunk, a subtle reverb. And a 30s max decay is very nice. And very low CPU.

$200 is a lot of money, but I can't think of a cheaper reverb that sounds this natural.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:12 am

vtd wrote:Oh, my mistake. I thought you meant not head to head (as in doesn't match up to).

<cough> Not like I haven't misread <cough> a post or two. <cough>

Devon

multree · Post by **multree** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 11:58 am

can't say it often enough:

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:06 pm

I'm extremely impressed so far. 5% CPU on my Intel 2.53gHz machine to boot. No head to head against DreamVerb or my Eventide DSP4000 yet, but damn, it just sounds good.

OK...that's 1 out of the 2 recommendations I need to almost buy it untested. Cheers Devon

We just need a Robert opinion now...c'mon, c'mon, hurry up, hurry up, I'm about to explode soon.

Only another 6 hours and I'm on days off - soon as I finish I'm going straight to my studio - no shit, shave or breakfast, strictly reverb only.

5%...that's pretty impressive! And it gives upto 30 second decay....wooohooooooooooooooooo. Dubbity dubbity boing boing.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:56 pm

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Princeton Digital - REVERB