KVR Audio

SciFiArtMan · Post by **SciFiArtMan** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:59 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:55 pm It would good to get some real world figures before and after on specific patches in Nexus for CPU. A screenshot of a random SQ doesn't mean all that much.

I'll confess I was surprised to hear in the Manuel / Mike video that there is now on board synthesis, not least because I've always understood a large part of the reason for the low CPU overhead in Nexus is that it's sample-playback only. So it could now be that some new complex SQs that have 16 layers some with synthesis are pretty thirsty.

Good points!

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:01 pm

Has anybody successfully downgraded? N3 won’t authorize without crashing hard thus bricking all my projects.

moogvoyager · Post by **moogvoyager** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:18 pm

I'm looking for a used reFX Nexus2 license.
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=534640&p=7578173#p7578173

steve.lindqvist · Post by **steve.lindqvist** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:34 pm

SciFiArtMan wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:59 pm
noiseboyuk wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:55 pm It would good to get some real world figures before and after on specific patches in Nexus for CPU. A screenshot of a random SQ doesn't mean all that much.

I'll confess I was surprised to hear in the Manuel / Mike video that there is now on board synthesis, not least because I've always understood a large part of the reason for the low CPU overhead in Nexus is that it's sample-playback only. So it could now be that some new complex SQs that have 16 layers some with synthesis are pretty thirsty.
Good points!

That onboard synthesis was already integrated in Nexus2. You skipped the fact that they were talking about a rough outline of the Nexus history, starting way before 2006. It wasn't related to the new version specifically. In fact, presets purely based on the internal synthesis engine were the ones with less CPU demand compared to sample based ones (mostly stacked layers) in Nexus2, at least on my system. So no, I don't think that the synthesis engine does any harm in therms of CPU demand in Nexus3 - this behavior seems more like some fundamental performance problems.
If something groundbreaking were new about the onboard synthesis engine, they would have advertised that much more aggressively - especially since the new feature list ist not that long.

steve.lindqvist · Post by **steve.lindqvist** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:47 pm

mitchiemasha wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:13 pm Thank you Steve for putting the effort into the details. At least for those not bothered, when they finally have the problem, they'll know what it is, unlike the months of time lost to trouble shooting for us not knowing.

Just to let you know, Nexus3 is still doing his 1 ms timer thing, nothing has changed in this regard. So let's still ask for a sample accurate offline bounce option in future updates.

Shizzhead · Post by **Shizzhead** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:51 pm

It says they have huge discounts, 50%, but I don’t see nothing but some $10 discounts here and there

mgw38 · Post by **mgw38** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:54 pm

moogvoyager wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:18 pm I'm looking for a used reFX Nexus2 license.
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=534640&p=7578173#p7578173

I don't think it is possible to sell the N2 license once you have upgraded to N3. Even though N3 no longer uses the eLicenser system, the eLicenser serial tied to your N2 license (N2 won't run if it is on a different eLicenser dongle) is also tied to the account that has the N3 license. Only reFx could separate those and chances are they won't.

BennyLucassi · Post by **BennyLucassi** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:07 pm

I regret buying this, didn’t know t replaced nexus 2. Afraid to look at my old projects and all the presets I used..I’d pay to downgrade back to n2

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:29 pm

steve.lindqvist wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:34 pmThat onboard synthesis was already integrated in Nexus2. You skipped the fact that they were talking about a rough outline of the Nexus history, starting way before 2006. It wasn't related to the new version specifically. In fact, presets purely based on the internal synthesis engine were the ones with less CPU demand compared to sample based ones (mostly stacked layers) in Nexus2, at least on my system. So no, I don't think that the synthesis engine does any harm in therms of CPU demand in Nexus3 - this behavior seems more like some fundamental performance problems.
If something groundbreaking were new about the onboard synthesis engine, they would have advertised that much more aggressively - especially since the new feature list ist not that long.

Ah fair dos.

Curiosity got the better of me, and I did a test. Nexus 2 - 16 instances of a Trap SQ was around 25% on my system settings. Nexus 3 - practically identical. However, project load time seemed significantly longer.

First impressions are mixed. Install was a cinch, downloads very quick. Its probably true that it is superior in pretty much every way to Nexus 2, although there are still a fair few shortcomings.

1. Poor tagging. This was a draw for many of us that tags are now - finally - in this preset-machine. Initially none at all showed up, but after clicking around the colours for a while suddenly they showed (I realise I had to be in All... no idea what changed). However, its a pretty miserly bunch that we have to work with - just dark, bright, active, spikey, wide and dirty. That's it. And even then, only the new expansions and new ROM content are tagged. Apparently out of 403 pads, I only have 1 that is dark. 8 are "active" whatever that means... there wasn't any prominent motion in them. Sadly, this meagre selection is close to useless.

2. No genre search. This seems a staggering omission really. Nexus is really placed as a synth for genre-fans. Many expansions - certainly all the christmas ones, but not only this - straddle multiple genres. The text search only works for patch names, so typing hip hop in doesn't even result in any patches from hip hop 3.

3. No names for layers. If they're tagging expansions, they should also name the layers. The facility is there to name them yourself from a simple drop down list, but this should be pre-done really, as in Avenger.

4. The mixer is probably the weakest link. They've persisted with this odd horizontal layout, where it would seem much more intuitive to make it vertical. The graphical faders are pretty bad, there's no scale or no GUI at all in the case of anything set to zero or centre - it looks like there are no controls at all in these cases. The graphical layout is very odd, the tube-map style graphics are confusingly meaningless really, a simple vertical signal path flow would be much more useful, with the pan, volume etc below (and a proper volume fader). There's no user customisation of what effects can be applied within layers - you can switch off and on if they already exist, but that's it. A proper send / insert system would have been much better. Finally, no sep outs still, which is a very tiresome omission.

Overall, it feels about 50% of what could reasonably be expected of it. No-one was expecting full programability, but ReFx have failed to really see through most of the opening out of the interface and browser. The tagging we know will roll out across the range, but the options are so poor I honestly wonder if its worth the bother. I doubt many of the other shortcomings, such as the mixer, will get addressed.

And yet. Despite everything, it IS a lot quicker and simpler to work with than Nexus 2. And - the single biggest thing for me - I can run it on the desktop and a mobile, which is worth the upgrade price alone.

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:31 pm

You can still just load up Nexus 2.7.4 as long as you have your elicenser. I am using both for this very reason, as early adopting isn't always stable. A better beta testing system should have been in place for a release like this. Nexus has been around for a long time, so naturally some of us are going to need to still keep N2 around for awhile.
I don't use my mac pro much,but in windows, just rename the 2.7.4 .dll into something like Nexus 2.dll - now restart your daw. You should see both N2 + N3 in vst folder..

Mac users may have a different way of doing this.

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:57 pm

Is there no way to say choose which layers we want to use in a given preset, if so how is this done?

With efx,it appears we can use many to build a sound,but I can't seem to figure out the layer system when it comes to sound..

It would be great to right click, add layer!

ramseysounds · Post by **ramseysounds** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:17 pm

Pissed off here. Fired up Cubase and went to load Nexus2 (no interest in upgrading) and found that its not listed in my instruments anymore. Had to download the cloud app and reinstall version 2.7.4 and expansions. Why REFX? Just why?

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:20 pm

mgw38 wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:54 pm
moogvoyager wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:18 pm I'm looking for a used reFX Nexus2 license.
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=534640&p=7578173#p7578173
I don't think it is possible to sell the N2 license once you have upgraded to N3. Even though N3 no longer uses the eLicenser system, the eLicenser serial tied to your N2 license (N2 won't run if it is on a different eLicenser dongle) is also tied to the account that has the N3 license. Only reFx could separate those and chances are they won't.

I have two Nexus 2 licenses, and only needed to upgrade one to Nexus 3, which now works on my two computers.
However Refx explicitly told me:
1) now that Nexus 3 is out, I can NOT sell a Nexus 2 license.
2) and if they found out I had 'given it away', they may suspend my license.

Be warned.
rsp

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:26 pm

trusampler wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:57 pm Is there no way to say choose which layers we want to use in a given preset, if so how is this done?

Under Features, just click any of the layers in the top row to disable them. You can also adjust levels here etc.

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:32 pm

thanks, but we can't add layers to build our own patches?

ReFx Nexus 3 (N3) Finally here!