ReFx Nexus 3 (N3) Finally here!

[maximoog]

What about a trial version? Is there anything coming?

[steve.lindqvist]

someone said they couldn't load presets with arrows - I can, I use arrows and enter.

Yes, but focus is on "loading" not "selecting". Previously, you could "load" presets in Nexus using the right arrow key. Calling up presets with the Enter key is ergonomically more cumbersome, as longtime Nexus user you are simply used to loading stuff with two fingers not moving your hand.

[steve.lindqvist]

Well got confirmation about somethings i am not happy about at all.
1. It doesn't consistently save the GUI last used size or save a size via Cubendo's default preset.

Yes, but I think they will implement this soon as many users complained about it (afaik).

2.You can't midi cc anything, including the new four macro knows. wtf!!
and for me had I know would have been a dealbreaker.

You can automate them in your DAW, at least in Logic, Cubase or Studio One for example you can easily work with Quick or Smart Controls, whatever your DAW calls it. No problem here in Logic to automate and also control the macro knobs via MIDI immediately.

3. your Nexus 2 favourites are kaput. Everytime I buy bank from any developer for any synth I spend hours going thru favouriting patches so when I am in a project, which in multimedia always has a tight deadline, i can immediately go to patches that sparked my creativity. All those are now gone.... N3 won't read them.

Yes, that's true, however you still can load up Nexus2 (see previeous posts) and re-save your favorites as user presets, then they will show up in Nexus3 and you can sort them further or tag them again with the new favorite heart icon.

[steve.lindqvist]

Can anyone confirm or deny that Nexus2 (if you haven't done anything except open it in your DAW as usual) is still functioning as expected? Surely they can't kill the goose that laid the golden eggs!?

Can anyone tell me what I should or shouldn't do when I open my N2 to keep it running as it has these last few years, assuming it even will?

I just knew ReFX was rushing this upgrade! Wet paint all over the place!!!

Shouldn't be a problem to use Nexus2 and Nexus3 on PC as VST2 as you can rename them and let them live side by side (see previous) posts. I do even can use Nexus2 (as VST2) and Nexus3 (as VST3) in Cubase or Ableton Live at the same time on macOS (be careful no renaming and duplicating of AU component files on macOS). You just have to be careful, uninstall Nexus3 (clean one plugin files wise) and reinstall Nexus2, then separate / rename the VST plugin file, install Nexus3, slip in the separated / renamed VST file and let them live together.

[steve.lindqvist]

2.You can't midi cc anything, including the new four macro knows.

That is a good spot, and a very surprising omission. A lot of the controls are automatable (on fixed CCs), but for some unfathomable reason they left off the macros. Hopefully one for an update at some point.

At the moment they don't pop up as destination in the mod matrix, but as written above somewhere you can automate or control the macros via your DAW.

[Amram]

What about a trial version? Is there anything coming?

I asked ReFx and the said they are working on it.

[noiseboyuk]

Hi All, is anyone try to use new arpegiator with full access to 16 layers. I looks as one big benefit from N3 if you like SQ presets. I am wonder if this new functionality really give the user possibility to change melody line and rythm of each details layer from SQ.
Anyone tried this?

Yes, I can confirm it works on old patches too.

The sequencer's editing is a little arcane, it seems to work on a rigid vertical column basis in that you can't drag a note left or right, you need to get rid of it and add in a different column using right click. You get there eventually, but its not a bundle of fun.

[noiseboyuk]

2.You can't midi cc anything, including the new four macro knows.

That is a good spot, and a very surprising omission. A lot of the controls are automatable (on fixed CCs), but for some unfathomable reason they left off the macros. Hopefully one for an update at some point.

At the moment they don't pop up as destination in the mod matrix, but as written above somewhere you can automate or control the macros via your DAW.

Ah yes -there's no CC assigned yet, but they do show up in Cubase's Quick Controls.

[bronxsound]

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[trusampler]

Layering? Add?
As far as not allowing users to add layers, this just seems like the dev's are fearful of what other sound designers can do with the content. I can only understand this logic as they want to sell expansions, but what they don't understand is the more you open the layering system up, the more they would sell.
It's cool. I'm not going to cry about it, but I think that's where these dev;s are wrong.
Spectrasonics and Native Instruments, are just two other pretty large companies that grew from opening up their content to end users, and they've done great with it. reFX seems closed minded when it comes to allowing users to become more creative with Nexus.

It's the equivalent of Korg or Yamaha or Roland disabling multitimbral support on a workstation, but it's cool reFX, we get it, you're simply scared of other sound designers, and for that, you'll never truly wear the crown. I love N3 by the way,but YES it could be better, if the fear factor was gone.

[steve.lindqvist]

Hi All, is anyone try to use new arpegiator with full access to 16 layers. I looks as one big benefit from N3 if you like SQ presets. I am wonder if this new functionality really give the user possibility to change melody line and rythm of each details layer from SQ.
Anyone tried this?

[noiseboyuk]

Layering? Add?
As far as not allowing users to add layers, this just seems like the dev's are fearful of what other sound designers can do with the content. I can only understand this logic as they want to sell expansions, but what they don't understand is the more you open the layering system up, the more they would sell.
It's cool. I'm not going to cry about it, but I think that's where these dev;s are wrong.
Spectrasonics and Native Instruments, are just two other pretty large companies that grew from opening up their content to end users, and they've done great with it. reFX seems closed minded when it comes to allowing users to become more creative with Nexus.

It's the equivalent of Korg or Yamaha or Roland disabling multitimbral support on a workstation, but it's cool reFX, we get it, you're simply scared of other sound designers, and for that, you'll never truly wear the crown. I love N3 by the way,but YES it could be better, if the fear factor was gone.

I do think there is a need for them to differentiate between Nexus and Avenger. I've been quite surprised in this thread about the number of people who save their own Nexus presets. I do tweak them of coruse, get under the hood, but I've never seen it as a sound design tool, and don't think Nexus will ever go down that road. All I see Nexus as is a preset machine made by genre specialists. Tweak to taste, that's it. You will sound great, but likely not original.

Avenger is I think much more suited to many people here. If reFX opened up adding layers and access to oscillators, it would be a bottomless pit that leads to... Avenger. So they won't do it, and I don't blame them. I think its far more reasonable to expect some improvements in the areas where we do have access - the tags, the mixer etc.

[trusampler]

I guess it's time for me to check Avenger out, does it import Nexus patches?
Made by the same company, I'd assume they would understand the want for this..

Oh and definitely N3 needs to be tweaked and quickly, there's alot of people expecting a solid release, and this is where all that hype comes back n bites you in the ass, if you're not prepared.

[steve.lindqvist]

I guess it's time for me to check Avenger out, does it import Nexus patches?
Made by the same company, I'd assume they would understand the want for this..

No, and once again, not the same company. They (Manuel and Michael) started working together and created Nexus as told in the new Nexus3 video, but Avenger = Keilwerth (Vengeance) development, Nexus = Hartmann (reFX) development. Two completely different tools, Manuel as sound designer and somehow project manager (and owner of Vengeance of course) is the link (as well as sharing other sound designers as Mirko Ruta, Andy Hinz, ...) but technically Nexus and Avenger have nothing to do with each other (although they both licensed the ArtsAcoustica reverb and reFX licensed filters to Avenger).

[trusampler]

gotcha, thanks for the clarification.