Squids, I'm sure you won't "like" this question, because I realize comparing BFD with SP is "apples to oranges"... SP will do so much MORE than drums, right?
But let's focus on drums -- BFD sure sounds cool, but it's expensive and it seems to take a huge machine to make it work. BUT, again, it sounds cool. VERY, very cool. Like, "WOW!" cool.
SO my question is, as SP is coming closer to perfection (er, I mean, "release"), how would you say it compares (RE: DRUMS) to BFD?
I hope you'll at least take a stab at this, even though I assume you don't really like comparing your stuff to other products... But I need REAL drums, and BFD sure seems to fit that bill... How will SP do me?
THANKS!! I love your stuff so much...
BFD vs. the up-coming SP's drums
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- KVRist
- 130 posts since 19 Jul, 2004 from Tokyo
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Jaeson Merrill Jaeson Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29081
- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from nowhere you believe in
not to hijack, but just so you know, im running BFD, trilogy, and audiotracks with effects on a 3 year old pcTokyoTain wrote:
But let's focus on drums -- BFD sure sounds cool, but it's expensive and it seems to take a huge machine to make it work. BUT, again, it sounds cool. VERY, very cool. Like, "WOW!" cool.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 130 posts since 19 Jul, 2004 from Tokyo
Really? Wow, I thought it threatened even the most hefty of machines...
Are you playing that "live" -- I mean, load up kits and start bashing away at the keyboard?
And when you say "three year old" -- I assume you've got something like a P4 1.7Ghz? What processor is that, and how much RAM?
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The reason I'm asking all this, is that I am a HUGE fan of SR material -- HUGE. But my main need right NOW is real, acoustic drums. I have several ways to get those, including Sonic Synth 1, with the acoustic drums collection.
BUT, when I hear people on KvR saying "this track used BFD for drums" -- man, those drums almost always blow me away. I mean to say, when I hear those tracks, I think, "now THAT is what drums ought to sound like!"
SO my question here is, will SP really be that type of drum module for me? Does it have as many velocity layers and layers for mic bleed and all that kind of thing?
(I know this is a lame question, sorry -- totally unfair to ask SR to compare their own unreleased products to other companies' material -- SORRY -- if no one responds, I understand)...
Are you playing that "live" -- I mean, load up kits and start bashing away at the keyboard?
And when you say "three year old" -- I assume you've got something like a P4 1.7Ghz? What processor is that, and how much RAM?
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The reason I'm asking all this, is that I am a HUGE fan of SR material -- HUGE. But my main need right NOW is real, acoustic drums. I have several ways to get those, including Sonic Synth 1, with the acoustic drums collection.
BUT, when I hear people on KvR saying "this track used BFD for drums" -- man, those drums almost always blow me away. I mean to say, when I hear those tracks, I think, "now THAT is what drums ought to sound like!"
SO my question here is, will SP really be that type of drum module for me? Does it have as many velocity layers and layers for mic bleed and all that kind of thing?
(I know this is a lame question, sorry -- totally unfair to ask SR to compare their own unreleased products to other companies' material -- SORRY -- if no one responds, I understand)...
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Jaeson Merrill Jaeson Merrill https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=29081
- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from nowhere you believe in
wow, hit the nail right on the head.TokyoTain wrote:Really? Wow, I thought it threatened even the most hefty of machines...
Are you playing that "live" -- I mean, load up kits and start bashing away at the keyboard?
And when you say "three year old" -- I assume you've got something like a P4 1.7Ghz? What processor is that, and how much RAM?
p4 1.7 ghz, 1 gig RAM 7200 rpm drives. and i have a midi drum controller, which goes into my emu1820m at about 4ms or sometimes even 2, if my net stuff is off hheeh..and yes, i can just "bash" away.
different people like different things.. this is the importance of demos. the BFD demos arent really that great(dont do it justice at all). hopefully the SP demos will show off how good they are (if theyre good, i have no idea).
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 130 posts since 19 Jul, 2004 from Tokyo
(I'm not psychic -- I just happened to have bought a computer three years ago myself, ha ha!)Jaeson Merrill wrote:wow, hit the nail right on the head.
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
I answered this exact question in depth somewhere in this forum. I or someone should dig up the answer. It is a usual Squids mega post. But, I'll do the short summary and answer here:
1. I don't think BFD is expensive.
2. I think it is a cool product too and I have it.
3. It has a certain kind of sound that is consistent throughout... if you like it then you are in heaven but if you want more variety then... also it requires some engineering skills on external processing to get "produced" sounds.
4. Studiophonik has less mic mixing (but still some) yet has built-in studio fx and a produced sound out of the box but one you can tailor to your needs.
5. Studiophonik has a wider variety of drum kits sampled in different places and definitely tighter kits as opposed to a roomier rock sound (which it also has some of as well).
6. Studiophonik also has guitar, bass, drums, piano, organ and horns... and the price is close to the same.
7. For my tastes Studiophonik has more expressive mapping across the keys to access different nuances that aren't present in BFD such as left and right stick snare rolls, isolated ghost taps and other articulations.
BFD has some other cool features I like though. The built-in midi stuff is handy, the pictures of drums are sexy (SP has a little of this for reference too). I am friends with Bitcrusher, Angus and Skot. I think they did a great job. I am sure they'd agree that Studiophonik was banging once they hear it too. We all love this stuff and appreciate good work so... the one thing that ultimately exists is the fact that they are DIFFERENT samples in different rooms with different drummers and kits and mics etc. I LOVE drum sounds so if it is done well you really can't have too many in my opinion. It is only when "budget" is brought up where I see that one might need to pick and choose... so that's up to you. SP's bang for the buck is hard to match though. There's a lot more to it but I will get into more detail when it is about to be released in a few months.
That's the "short summary"
(I probably said the same thing in my other post).
1. I don't think BFD is expensive.
2. I think it is a cool product too and I have it.
3. It has a certain kind of sound that is consistent throughout... if you like it then you are in heaven but if you want more variety then... also it requires some engineering skills on external processing to get "produced" sounds.
4. Studiophonik has less mic mixing (but still some) yet has built-in studio fx and a produced sound out of the box but one you can tailor to your needs.
5. Studiophonik has a wider variety of drum kits sampled in different places and definitely tighter kits as opposed to a roomier rock sound (which it also has some of as well).
6. Studiophonik also has guitar, bass, drums, piano, organ and horns... and the price is close to the same.
7. For my tastes Studiophonik has more expressive mapping across the keys to access different nuances that aren't present in BFD such as left and right stick snare rolls, isolated ghost taps and other articulations.
BFD has some other cool features I like though. The built-in midi stuff is handy, the pictures of drums are sexy (SP has a little of this for reference too). I am friends with Bitcrusher, Angus and Skot. I think they did a great job. I am sure they'd agree that Studiophonik was banging once they hear it too. We all love this stuff and appreciate good work so... the one thing that ultimately exists is the fact that they are DIFFERENT samples in different rooms with different drummers and kits and mics etc. I LOVE drum sounds so if it is done well you really can't have too many in my opinion. It is only when "budget" is brought up where I see that one might need to pick and choose... so that's up to you. SP's bang for the buck is hard to match though. There's a lot more to it but I will get into more detail when it is about to be released in a few months.
That's the "short summary"
(I probably said the same thing in my other post).