Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

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TheNeverScene
KVRian
689 posts since 1 Dec, 2016

Post Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:29 pm

Oh, I knew what you meant and I agree with your comment....the inevitable pouncing lol
Just a touch of EQ and a tickle of compression

Hanz Meyzer
KVRian
1462 posts since 20 Oct, 2014

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:52 pm

@TheNeverScene FYI I also read multiple times that the Windows included virus check Windows Defender (? dont know the exact name) can cause such problems:
https://www.wikihow.com/Turn-Off-Window ... Windows-10

Markus Krause
KVRist
350 posts since 2 Jul, 2018

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:08 am

@TheNeverScene;
You are using a Xeon CPU. This processor is a pretty exotic beast and has been designed for Servers and not for the end-user market. It is optimized for massive parallel tasks that a running in an isolated environment.
The Intel CPUs had several security problems, the most known one is 'Meltdown'. It is a flaw in the hardware-design of the cache and branch-prediction that allows attackers to steal passwords. The Meltdown is not a big problem for Intel CPUs designed for the consumer-market like the I7, because there are no (?) exploits using it. But it is very critical for server-CPUs like the Xeon that you are using. Cloud-services frequently use Xeon CPUs and can get attacked. As a result Microsoft and Intel released several patches for Windows. These patches prevent the Meltdown-attack but they can slow down certain calculations of Server-CPUs drastically.
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Markus Krause
KVRist
350 posts since 2 Jul, 2018

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:13 am

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LeVzi
KVRAF
2227 posts since 8 Jul, 2008 from UK

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:18 am

So what if a synth takes a few seconds to load, I have plenty that take up to 10 seconds to load, i'm not in a rush, 10 seconds isn't the difference between me using and not using a product. My PC is a bit older, and needs the time to load, so be it, I accept it and big deal, and I don't care if it tries to phone home, then realises it can't then loads anyway, that's no big deal either, it's the security of the product and it works.

tbh I was getting more worried that this hadn't been mentioned sooner, wouldn't be a T2 thread at KVR without someone starting it off. And yes I am a complete T2 fanboy, have been for a long time, the facts speak for themselves, the synths and effects they make are a joy to use. E2 and Saurus were my go to's for ages , now I find myself using Icarus more and more, and now i'll probably start using I2 more.

Filterbank 3, god knows how old it is, gets used daily, as does bifilter 2, (I wish they had internal gates!!!)

I definitely need to go to a single large monitor , as I am struggling on my 2 smaller ones with the font sizes tbh, my only issue, but that's as i'm using old monitors. Most GUI's these days are better , larger, was the reason I never got Avenger, as I simply couldn't read the fonts at all. My eyes arent the best anymore.

CPU use for T2 synths is also something I am never short of amazed at, it's so low for such complex patches. Take E2 for instance, 3 layers, 3 oscilators all detuned loads of reverb, loads of delay, modulation on the filters etc etc, and the CPU hit is minimal. Very impressive programming tbh.

I think Markus deserves to ease back on his workload, and just keep things ticking over. As much as I beg him to bring out Filterbank 4 (lol) it's a LOT of work, and I know his health has taken a turn for the worse, so I wish him and all the T2 crew a happy christmas and thanks for bringing I2 to life :)
Forward ever, Backward never

Markus Krause
KVRist
350 posts since 2 Jul, 2018

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:57 am

@Levzi
The loading times of Icarus2 in general seem to be very low for a complex product like Icarus2.
Currently the user TheNeverScene is the only one who experiences a bad performance. He is using an exotic Intel Xeon CPU that has been designed for Servers and not for the end-user market. These CPUs have a design flaw which can cause a slow performance under certain conditions (explanation above). Since it is a hardware problem it can not be solved with software.

So far there a no serious problems known in Icarus2. It is one of our smoothest releases ever. No matter what garbage is written here on kvr by a couple of trolls our support-statistics show that the synth is working very well and relieable

Have a nice weekend!
Markus
Tone2 Audiosoftware https://www.tone2.com

Cinebient
KVRAF
4439 posts since 16 Nov, 2014

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:02 am

A stupid question but will the v2 demo override my current v1.6 if i install it?

FapFilter
KVRist
249 posts since 29 Oct, 2015

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:07 am

@Markus: True. some plugs like Ozone or Replika take ages to load for “next to nothing“, and if i remember correctly the oberhausen synth demo had atrocious loading times aswell, again for an extremely simple synth. Not trying to bash these products, i just want to say that i'm usually sensitive to this but i haven't even noticed I(2) loading times (in a bad way) at all.

Cinebient
KVRAF
4439 posts since 16 Nov, 2014

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:08 am

FapFilter wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:07 am
@Markus: True. some plugs like Ozone or Replika take ages to load for “next to nothing“, and if i remember correctly the oberhausen synth demo had atrocious loading times aswell, again for an extremely simple synth. Not trying to bash these products, i just want to say that i'm usually sensitive to this but i haven't even noticed I(2) loading times (in a bad way) at all.
Not only that but some also need the same time if i remove them (Falcon and all it´s instruments are the worst here)....but in general i feel no loss in my life if i wait some seconds more. :wink:

FapFilter
KVRist
249 posts since 29 Oct, 2015

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:14 am

Yes, but in Ozone you even have to wait again each time you open up the already loaded plugin GUI. I still use it nevertheless, but it would be loading instantly without causing any hickups if it was done by Fabfilter, or some other companies that know how (or care) to program more efficiently.
Sorry for the OT

Markus Krause
KVRist
350 posts since 2 Jul, 2018

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:24 am

Cinebient wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:02 am
A stupid question but will the v2 demo override my current v1.6 if i install it?
If you are on pc and want to test the v2 demo while keeping v1.6 full select a directory like c:/icarus2test as location

If you are on mac you need to run the installer of v1.6 again do downgrade from v2
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] Peter:H [
KVRian
951 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:30 am

TheNeverScene wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:50 pm
Thanks for nothin' @PeterH....nice one.

@Hanz Meyzer I don't have any realtime virus checking enabled that I know of, but I'll check. I'm pretty sure everthing there is set to manual. I'll check. I know it's something on my end, just trying to figure it out. Thanks for the help!
Please take it with a grain of humor ... as I said I myself have often found to be a OSI Layer 8 problem ;-)

But I hope - because you have mentioned using Bitwig - you have read my tipp about plugin isolation as well. As I said in my previous post I recommend the "Together" mode because from what I have experienced it is the fastest mode available.

Then let me add something - All Synths that rely on sample resources are a bit slower than those which come without samples. Approach is to put the sample content on the SSD ... but I think this is common sence and not worth a tipp.

] Peter:H [

mevla
KVRAF
2736 posts since 3 Nov, 2015

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:35 am

If there's a loading time problem then the context should be described, the context that warrants fast loading times. Maybe you're on a stage and the way the set is set up you have to load midway a synth, and it takes some time. OTOH, if you're in a studio or even better, at home, then there's basically no rush.

tasty tatsyn
KVRist
398 posts since 19 Jun, 2016

Re: Coming soon: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:20 am

i really have a feeling, just a feeling some people are not looking for solutions, just nonsense hindrance and creating problems.

maybe i should post the pictures of the Man, Woman and Donkey again.. [not going to, Page 54 of this topic if you're interested]

Best of all is that he probably has his PC not connected to the internet....

.....Really dislikes the UI, thinks sound is not that important, discarded all the nice tips Markus gave about performance/possible future updates [Gui Included], aparently doesn't like One of the 26 color chemes available, thinks the CP is terrible ... yet...
..... shows an awkward interest in Icarus and Tone2 :!: :?: :o

Draw your own conclusions.... (that's what my post is about, not a question of being a happy user of Icarus or not) [ AKA fanboy ]


Sorry for the following text wall....

tasty tatsyn
KVRist
398 posts since 19 Jun, 2016

Re: Available now: Tone2 Icarus2

Post Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:24 am

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perfumer wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:35 am
Markus Krause wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:22 am
the animated displays are so animated that with certain patches it's a bit ludicrous
You can hide the displays by clicking 'SIZE'.

So far you are the only one who requests this. What i can add is an option to switch off the animations for v2.1.

I don't like the UI at all
We have plans for an optional flat-style GUI. It might be added in a free future update.
But this is also hiding parts of the synth that are needed for sound design. I don't need a patch player!
Well, at least you could consider a switch-off option.
Not, it's not the 3D-ness. Way back at the beginning of the thread some ppl recommended you to hire a graphics artist. I understand this costs money, BUT..................

Spitfire31 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:22 am
The sound character of Icarus 2 is certainly a Serum killer, according to my taste at least.
Ah, but you know that it is the looks that matters.
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perfumer wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:15 am
Markus Krause wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:49 am
What can slow down loading times of software?

- Other software which accesses the harddisc is running in the background
- Slow harddiscs. Instead consider buying a SSD
- Fragmented harddiscs. Run a defragmentation in Windows
- A Windows-update is running in the background
- A virus scanner is running in the background
- A weak CPU
- Slow RAM
- Bad settings in the Bios
- Missing or bad Windows-drivers for the Mainboard

What can additionally slow down loading times in Icarus?

- You placed a massive number of .wav files to the Icarus_wavetables directory
- You did not enable Multicore / Multiprocessor support in the host
Phoning home to see if license is legit, getting blocked by a firewall, then trying again and again, then saying: 'Oh, it seems there's no Internet connection. I'll have to load after all.'
I have also experienced slow DAW/project shut-down times with my 100% legal licences of Nemesis and Icarus 1. Have never experienced anything similar with anything else. That's why I suppose it's phoning home. Also, this doesn't happen every time - which is more reason to suspect this.

Oh, and I don't have any of the possible causes you listed.


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Probably the best of it all is that he probably doesn't connect his PC to the internet either, so......

Now i guess we should wait 48 hours or something like that for the next one......

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