When is a sample so edited or altered that it is not copyrighted?

[Obsolete236871]

@MeneerJansen

Yeah, this collection is extremely good. So diverse and all original material from artists and musicians. One of the best collections you will find if you are into sample-based music.

What DAW do you use? In Ableton it's very simple to do it!


Most DAWs have a similar tool on board, though not all are so comfortable and straight-forward. I think Reaper also has quite good auto-slice and slice to MIDI, but personally I hate Reaper. Might be worth a try though.

You can also use a third-party plugin like the free edition of the TX16wx sampler. Check this thread: viewtopic.php?t=477418

[jancivil]

It wasn‘t the beat that touched me!!!

I first heard it on TV, Jeff Beck @ Ronnie Scott’s.
Here’s Vinnie doing DnB behind JB

[Obsolete236871]

Wow, did not know that DnB can sound so good! Usually I stay away from those over-aliased, cheaply pitched 12bit drum loops with horrible synthesizer sounds on top, but with real instrumentation it can actually sound amazing!

[lotus2035]

Not really what your talking about... but I often source Public Domain audio from Prelinger Archives, not so much music, but sound bites from retro industrial films and the like, that stuff is quite handy to chop up and use in electronic music.

https://archive.org/details/prelinger

Was there any particular reason you chose the Prelinger Archives material? How would their content differ from other public domain materials on Internet Archive?
Just curious.

[jancivil]

Wow, did not know that DnB can sound so good! Usually I stay away from those over-aliased, cheaply pitched 12bit drum loops with horrible synthesizer sounds on top, but with real instrumentation it can actually sound amazing!

Kind of my thought when I found that.

[an-electric-heart]

Not really what your talking about... but I often source Public Domain audio from Prelinger Archives, not so much music, but sound bites from retro industrial films and the like, that stuff is quite handy to chop up and use in electronic music.

https://archive.org/details/prelinger

Was there any particular reason you chose the Prelinger Archives material? How would their content differ from other public domain materials on Internet Archive?
Just curious.

No, no reason. Just because things that are public domain are clearly labeled as such, so I know they're safe to use. It's just the only old media archive I use... I guess they're all like that.

[lotus2035]

Ah okay cheers.

[MeneerJansen]

@MeneerJansen
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What DAW do you use? In Ableton it's very simple to do it!
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Most DAWs have a similar tool on board, though not all are so comfortable and straight-forward. I think Reaper also has quite good auto-slice and slice to MIDI, but personally I hate Reaper. Might be worth a try though.

You can also use a third-party plugin like the free edition of the TX16wx sampler. Check this thread: viewtopic.php?t=477418

Thank you for the tips! I use Linux as my OS and Qtractor as a DAW (bet you've never heard of it ). Reaper has a Linux native version and it is free/cheap as far as I know. I'll look into that VST. I like VST's for doing stuff so you do not have to switch DAW's.

[george]

Wow, did not know that DnB can sound so good! Usually I stay away from those over-aliased, cheaply pitched 12bit drum loops with horrible synthesizer sounds on top, but with real instrumentation it can actually sound amazing!

If you liked that kind of acoustic drum'n'bass then you should take a listen to 4hero.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=U47BB ... ReJGb5uNfo

[AKJ]

In every country there are different laws and indeed it is very much a question of interpretation - definitely not as clear as people claim here. I can only say how it should be: if you add something original, there should not be a problem. Copyright was an invention of capitalism. In pre-modern era it did not exist and copying was an art in itsewlf. But also in modern era there is a lot of art that relies of using the material of others like in collages. There are also musical collages. Decide for yourself it is worth taking the risk.

[vurt]

i want to use this particular sample...
if i process it till its unrecognizable is that ok?

why is it important to use this particular sample if, you are going to change it to a point it's something else? just make the something else.

[jancivil]

Copyright was an invention of capitalism. In pre-modern era it did not exist

In fact it was a thing before capitalism was even a word. Maybe look it up.
I write or record something, I may wish to retain the rights to it. But do be communistic with other people’s labor.

[jancivil]

i want to use this particular sample...
if i process it till its unrecognizable is that ok?

why is it important to use this particular sample if, you are going to change it to a point it's something else? just make the something else.

they can’t be arsed?

[vurt]

i want to use this particular sample...
if i process it till its unrecognizable is that ok?

why is it important to use this particular sample if, you are going to change it to a point it's something else? just make the something else.

they can’t be arsed?

i get using a sample as is, if it has a meaning within the track.
i dont get using a sample but transforming it so it's not the sample.

laziness is one thing, but it's not logical.

i feel the need to use a
but i have to disguise it as z

then why do you need to use a? what is the reason behind a, if in the end no one hears a.

[Forgotten]

Copyright was an invention of capitalism. In pre-modern era it did not exist

In fact it was a thing before capitalism was even a word. Maybe look it up.
I write or record something, I may wish to retain the rights to it. But do be communistic with other people’s labor.

If I recall correctly, copyright did not protect the rights of the author for a long time after its original implementations in Europe - it was enacted originally to protect the rights of publishers from republishing (and thus losing potential revenue).

Basically it came about with the widespread use of the printing press.