Why that wavetable-mania?

[Unaspected]

Well, there is the aforementioned functionality of working with sampled sound in ways unique to wavetable synthesis, which makes them attractive to the user.

That's just arcane garbage for nerds. The rest of us don't give a rat's arse how we make our sounds, we just want to make the right sound for the right part so we can finish our songs.

Hehe. Well it's the scope for new sound that seems to be a major attraction for quite a few here. I think it's a reasonable argument. Not that it is exclusive to wavetable synthesis - granular synthesis can operate on audio samples and additive synthesis can completely restructure them.

I guess you're looking at composition to provide interest in your music whereas I think that people interested in these devices are looking to create that interest within each sound as well - composing at the microscopic level. Nerds with microscopes.

[FapFilter]

Aparillo is an FM synth but you can learn the FM side of it in a few minutes. Ditto for the FM oscillator in TRK-01. The FM process doesn't have to be complex to achieve complex results.

I do FM lightly inside my conventional (virtual) analog domain by simply using a knob that modulates one oscillator with a second one.
And of course the infamous filter FM, but that matrix thing with 4, 6 or even more operators where you have to decide which OP feeds into which and feedbacks into itself or wherever else at what levels/frequencies were always too off-putting for me to dig deeper than tweaking existing ones hoping something usable might happen.
It also has a sound signature that may be good for something, but also not so good for other stuff, where even bog standard classic subtractive synths sound much better (imo)
For me simple subtractives with their mild FM abilities, and if that is not enough, mangled with effects or put into a sampler were much more hands on approaches that can give good results too. Maybe not the same you can get with FM, but the same can be said about FM which never would sound like “my method“ either.

But i should really dig deeper inside FM at some point, maybe it doesn't turn out to be witchcraft afterall

[Unaspected]

Aparillo is an FM synth but you can learn the FM side of it in a few minutes. Ditto for the FM oscillator in TRK-01. The FM process doesn't have to be complex to achieve complex results.

I do FM lightly inside my conventional (virtual) analog domain by simply using a knob that modulates one oscillator with a second one.
And of course the infamous filter FM, but that matrix thing with 4, 6 or even more operators where which OP feeds into which and feedbacks into itself or wherever else at which levels, frequencies were always too off-putting for me to dig deeper than tweaking existing ones hoping somethinh usable might happen.
For me simple subtractives with their mild FM abilities, and if that is not enough, mangled with effects or put into a sampler were much more hands on approaches that can give good results too. Maybe not the same you can get with FM, but the same can be said about FM which never would sound like “my method“ either.

But i should really dig deeper inside FM at some point, maybe it doesn't turn out to be witchcraft afterall

Oh. It's definitely witchcraft.

[Mushy Mushy]

To those who don’t like FM: F ‘em.

[Teksonik]

Sweeping Wavetables yields some very interesting results to those with even a modicum of imagination.

So do any number of different methods of cross-modulation between two single cycle waveforms. The thought that an oscillator producing a fixed waveform is limited in the context of a multi-osc synth is rooted in ignorance.

The thought that a fixed waveform is less limiting than a wavetable is ignorance.

It's all about evolution of sound. Some people are looking for new sounds while some still want to use the same Saw wave patch they did fifteen years ago.

And you call yourself a sound designer. Shame on you.

And you call yourself a musician.....shame on you.

Either method is perfectly acceptable as long as you don't confuse "what's best for me" with "what's best for everybody".

Completely irrelevant to both the topic and the actual discussion.

No it's completely relevant to you. Once again since you don't understand the value of something you think that means it has no value for everyone else. Once again as always you are wrong.

Like I said if you have no use for Wavetables that's fine but don't act like that puts you in some position of superiority. It just makes you look like some close minded old man yelling at people to "get off of my lawn".......

[Ohlson_M]

Completely irrelevant to both the topic and the actual discussion.

No it's completely relevant to you. Once again since you don't understand the value of something you think that means it has no value for everyone else. Once again as always you are wrong.

Like I said if you have no use for Wavetables that's fine but don't act like that puts you in some position of superiority. It just makes you look like some close minded old man yelling at people to "get off of my lawn".......

Based on his self-righteous answers and obsession to prove his superior knowledge, you should just acknowledge the fact that, in the end, and no matter what, you will be wrong and he will be right. And when his expert opinion is in some way questioned he will try to insult you as a final resort. It ain´t worth it man. Just move on.

[Teksonik]

Bones and I have been going round and round for going on 19 years. We're both stubborn, opinionated, hard headed old men.

I feel more pity for him than disdain since he's always wrong and I'm always right.......

[Unaspected]

Bones and I have been going round and round for going on 19 years. We're both stubborn, opinionated, hard headed old men.

I feel more pity for him than disdain since he's always wrong and I'm always right.......

But is he stating what everyone should follow or simply what works for him? I'm pretty sure he doesn't care what anyone else does - he just wants to state reasons for why he works the way he does. It could well be useful information if you're looking to produce in a similar style.

[Sinisterbr]

Aparillo is an FM synth but you can learn the FM side of it in a few minutes. Ditto for the FM oscillator in TRK-01. The FM process doesn't have to be complex to achieve complex results.

I do FM lightly inside my conventional (virtual) analog domain by simply using a knob that modulates one oscillator with a second one.
And of course the infamous filter FM, but that matrix thing with 4, 6 or even more operators where you have to decide which OP feeds into which and feedbacks into itself or wherever else at what levels/frequencies were always too off-putting for me to dig deeper than tweaking existing ones hoping something usable might happen.

I can totally relate to that, hahah

[Teksonik]

But is he stating what everyone should follow or simply what works for him

When you spend the better part of two decades calling people idiots because they disagree with you like Bones has...well I think you can take it from there.....

[Unaspected]

But is he stating what everyone should follow or simply what works for him

When you spend the better part of two decades calling people idiots because they disagree with you like Bones has...well I think you can take it from there.....

Eh. We'll all idiots though. It's just a turn of phrase, no? I wouldn't take it to heart.

Though I did ask because of your 19 years (!!! !!!) of history. You'll be coming up to your platinum or china anniversary (I had to look that up). What do you think he'll get you?

[Teksonik]

Anyway back on the topic of Wavs....Yesterday I was working with a synth I just purchased and rediscovered Wavesequencing as opposed to Wavetables.

Wavesequencing being loosely defined as using larger size samples as opposed to single cycle waveforms and scanning through a series of them.

Think Korg's Wavestation and the perennially underrated WusikStation.

There's a form of synthesis that needs more love along with WT's as it opens up a whole new world of synthesis (to synthesists).

So I'll turn the question "Why so many WT synths" into "Why not more Wavesequencing Synths" ?

[Teksonik]

Eh. We'll all idiots though. It's just a turn of phrase, no? I wouldn't take it to heart.

Except Bones. He's a genius and we should all be grateful for the pearls of wisdom that dribble from his mouth.....is what he thinks.

His fault is mistaking his opinion for fact. Mistaking the workflow he prefers to the workflow everyone should prefer. For promoting his myopia as a condition everyone should embrace.

Try verbally abusing him in the same manner he has been abusing other KVR members for so many years and watch how quickly you get suspended. (I'll probably get suspended just for that).....

[Teksonik]

Here's a Wavetable patch from Dune 3's Factory patches....can't do that with a Saw Wave I don't care how you cross mod it. Right there is a perfect example of the power of Wavetables.

You may not need or want that power but it's a blessing that power exists for those who do.......

Synapse Audio

[Unaspected]

Anyway back on the topic of Wavs....Yesterday I was working with a synth I just purchased and rediscovered Wavesequencing as opposed to Wavetables.

Wavesequencing being loosely defined as using larger size samples as opposed to single cycle waveforms and scanning through a series of them.

Think Korg's Wavestation and the perennially underrated WusikStation.

There's a form of synthesis that needs more love along with WT's as it opens up a whole new world of synthesis (to synthesists).

So I'll turn the question "Why so many WT synths" into "Why not more Wavesequencing Synths" ?

Yeah, this was touched on above. My suggestion would be to use such a thing for more analogue variation. Though aren't we simply talking about attaching a modulator/sequencer to the depth of the wavetable?

Eh. We'll all idiots though. It's just a turn of phrase, no? I wouldn't take it to heart.

Except Bones. He's a genius and we should all be grateful for the pearls of wisdom that dribble from his mouth.....is what he thinks.

His fault is mistaking his opinion for fact. Mistaking the workflow he prefers to the workflow everyone should prefer. For promoting his myopia as a condition everyone should embrace.

Try verbally abusing him in the same manner he has been abusing other KVR members for so many years and watch how quickly you get suspended. (I'll probably get suspended just for that).....

Well, the big guy can speak for himself when he's here but I've been taking what he says with a pinch of salt. It's just the way in which he phrases things because he is talking from his own perspective.

Of course, I could be completely wrong but I give the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway. Until someone resamples BONES into a wavetable, we are getting a little off-topic.