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Greybox Audio · Post by **Greybox Audio** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:50 am

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Obsolete236871 · Post by **Obsolete236871** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:41 pm

fortycoats wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:59 am Changed motherboard - wups you don't own anything.
Changed network adapter - wups you don't own anything.
Changed hard drive - wups you don't own anything.
Bought a new plugin - wups you don't own the old ones.

New features gained by upgrading -

Want to 'gift' because PTSD - wups I am afraid I can't do that.

When it ends up being cheaper and easier to buy your plugins again on a 'once in a lifetime' sale there's something wrong with the system.

Just my few cents.

Is it really the case that you would loose your license as soon as your machine ID changes due to hardware changes? Wouldn't the license still be held in your account, so that you could reuse it after you uninstalled the previous installation from the machine?

A software company disowning you of your purchased license sounds illegal to me and definitely not EU law compliant.

PS: not a Waves fan here, I hate WUP and those "access manager" schemes, but I can't believe they would go as far as disowning you. That's too low, even for Waves standards.

pekbro · Post by **pekbro** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:52 pm

It's pretty easy to screw up the waves DRM ime, I once lost all my waves lic's by logging my pc out
of my microsoft account. Saw it as a different machine, kid you not. Anyway, they can recover
them for you, or you can do it yourself on the spot. You can only do the self recovery once per
year though.

At least that's how it was a while back, still the same I expect.

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:54 pm

fortycoats wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:59 am Changed motherboard - wups you don't own anything.
Changed network adapter - wups you don't own anything.
Changed hard drive - wups you don't own anything.
Bought a new plugin - wups you don't own the old ones.

New features gained by upgrading -

Want to 'gift' because PTSD - wups I am afraid I can't do that.

When it ends up being cheaper and easier to buy your plugins again on a 'once in a lifetime' sale there's something wrong with the system.

Just my few cents.

Where did you store your licenses?
Did you upload them to the cloud before doing hardware upgrades?
USB media is an option for storing licenses (make a backup image in case of accidental format).
You should be allowed a backup license from Waves once a year.

https://www.waves.com/support/reactivat ... r-licenses

Greybox Audio · Post by **Greybox Audio** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:11 pm

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The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:26 pm

krabbencutter wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:11 pm So for the past 200 days, I can say for a fact that TG Mastering Chain has been on sale for at least 120 days. Now how am I to believe it has an actual value of $199?

And for all those who purchased products at a price higher than $29 might feel let down, or resentment. Especially when we're new to purchasing plug-ins.
Simple, only buy at $29 or less, and shop around, I've learnt my lesson.

The deals and discounts each week are laughable, the bar as been set at $29.
Got Renaissance Bass for $9 last month using the $20 survey code, thanks Waves.

fortycoats · Post by **fortycoats** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:51 pm

Quick reply to those asking about clouds/usb/customer support/yearly special solution stuff.

I decided to cut my losses, uninstall everything and be more careful about what companies to purchase from.

Time is money, life is short.
Waves have some okay plugins but there’s better options without the headaches.

They cost a bit more than 29 units of currency but as I said on page one.

My quality of life is better now.

Happy holidays!

pekbro · Post by **pekbro** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:55 pm

Honestly, while I agree that it's an annoying marketing strategy. I doubt that it's impact
on the industry is really all that bad. They can afford to go for volume sales by cheapening
their wares. Other companies following suit can do that as well, it's a pretty reliable
way to spur an influx of cash I'd wager. Though, I suspect the number of companies actually
doing that are by far a minority. There are plenty, most in fact of companies still
selling their plugins for comparatively regular prices. Certainly the perceived worth
of plugins has gone way down over the last 10 years or so, I doubt that Waves has
had any real impact on that, I would think it's mostly due to increases in competition
and computing technology in general.

If anything, they've created a new viability model for the industry, ultra affordable
cookie cutter plugins with a high MSRP that are perpetually on sale for a limited time.
Surely the insurgence of such companies over the last few years has not escaped
everyone's notice. E.g. soundspot and the like...

Again, they are the minority, and the rest continue to plod along at mostly
the same pace as they always have. Certainly, they have to make adjustments
for trends in the industry, clearly though, the scale is not great as you might think.

...Meanwhile, Waves and the ones who can afford it, are able to capitalize on
this trend and do quite well I expect. And make no mistake, you do have to be
able to afford it.

Ohlson_M · Post by **Ohlson_M** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:00 pm

The Noodlist wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:26 pm
krabbencutter wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:11 pm So for the past 200 days, I can say for a fact that TG Mastering Chain has been on sale for at least 120 days. Now how am I to believe it has an actual value of $199?
And for all those who purchased products at an price higher than $29 might feel let down, or resentment. Especially when we're new to purchasing plug-ins.
Simple, only buy at $29 or less, and shop around, I've learnt my lesson.

The deals and discounts each week are laughable, the bar as been set at $29.

The main reason why I have never bought a Waves plugin is because a) you cannot know what a good deal is when they have new discounts every week and b) there is no hurry to buy when they have discounts every week.

With that said, I think the current deals on Gold bundle (around 66 USD at audiodeluxe) and other bundles are the lowest they will get. Now might be the time to buy. But honestly, they should just permanently lower their price. It’s ridiculous. It’s hard to support a developer that acts like this. They have discounts every week because no sane person buys them at their ”normal” price. Why? Once you discount your plugins that often, it becomes the new normal price.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:04 pm

Izak Synthiemental wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:41 pm
fortycoats wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:59 am Changed motherboard - wups you don't own anything.
Changed network adapter - wups you don't own anything.
Changed hard drive - wups you don't own anything.
Bought a new plugin - wups you don't own the old ones.

New features gained by upgrading -

Want to 'gift' because PTSD - wups I am afraid I can't do that.

When it ends up being cheaper and easier to buy your plugins again on a 'once in a lifetime' sale there's something wrong with the system.

Just my few cents.
Is it really the case that you would loose your license as soon as your machine ID changes due to hardware changes? Wouldn't the license still be held in your account, so that you could reuse it after you uninstalled the previous intallation

A software company disowning you of your purchased license sounds illegal to me and definitely not EU law compliant.

PS: not a Waves fan here, I hate WUP and those "access manager" schemes, but I can't believe they would go as far as disowning you. That's too low, even for Waves standards.

That is just load of nonsense by op. Changing motherboard and NIC obviously makes the license manager think it's on a different computer like with any other machine based licensing system. Replacing HDD also is likely to mean you will have a clean system so you need a complete reinstall of everything anyway. If you did not transfer your licenses to cloud beforehand then it's user error.

It's not even specific to Waves but holds true for 100% computer based C/R authorization systems. Waves actually stands out as the most customer friendly regarding this. They have an option to easily recover your licenses in such case. You do not even have to contact support for that. With every other system you literally have to contact support and beg for new licenses. In case of iLok you even have to contact every developer separately because iLok support will tell you to GTFO, which could mean begging 10-20 developers to get your licenses back.

And as far as buying a new plugin meaning you don't own old ones, I have no idea what op is on about. The same goes for not getting anything for updating - Waves release notes can be found here: https://www.waves.com/downloads/release-notes. They are probably the most actively developed and maintained plugins in the industry.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:05 pm

Don’t confuse price with value, the later is arbitrary. For example, Serum has a value of ~£500* to me while Arturia’s analogue bundle has a value of £0; the prices of both are dramatically different.

If I buy something today, say a pair of jeans, that’s because the price correlated to my value of them. I know they might go on sale tomorrow and while that would be annoying it doesn’t change the fact I valued them at £X the day before.

Plus, and I’m going to word this as nicely as possible, get a life man. You seriously spent your Saturday going through emails to prove your point. Man if only I had that much free time.

* Purely made up but that’s what I’d pay for it if necessary.

Greybox Audio · Post by **Greybox Audio** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:33 pm

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Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:36 pm

But that’s where you’re going wrong. The consumer determines the value, the seller determines the price.

Greybox Audio · Post by **Greybox Audio** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:53 pm

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fortycoats · Post by **fortycoats** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:56 pm

A compulsory windows 10 update deciding to rename my network adapter was the spark that lit my pitchfork. Feel free to label me with various disorders though. I'm done with waves and posting here has turned me into a hypocrite so I will cease and desist.

It's 29.99 o'clock somewhere

Waves - What can we do?