KVR Audio

LoveEnigma18 · Post by **LoveEnigma18** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:01 pm

It indeed sucks. If you see their website and how they have done the audio demos, it reflects their conservativeness. At least I feel so. You're welcome by the way, m-ac

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:32 pm

Looking at the arps layer new feature, just shows how simple it would be to add layers for sounds.
It's like they purposely crippled sound layering for customers.

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:51 pm

nothing unusual there, regarding the selling and becoming NFR

and yes, Nexus' concept is being a preset machine. It always was. Thats exactly what most customers love about it, its simplicity. We will not change this. If you are looking for a deep sound design tool, you are simply totally wrong here. You cant blame a horse for being a horse and not a cow.

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:19 pm

m-ac wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:50 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:16 am Here's the response from reFX on my questions:

1) Is Nexus 3 license transferable?

Yes, it can be transferred once.

3) If yes to 1, does it become NFR after it is transferred to second owner, or can the second owner resell it again?

Yes, it becomes NFR after it is transferred.

Well that's it, I am done with refx. My list of negatives far outweighs the positives at this point.

Thanks for posting that info, LoveEnigma18

NFR for second owner also do others like Spectrasonic with Omnisphere. Nothing special.

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:23 pm

msvs wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:51 pm and yes, Nexus' concept is being a preset machine. It always was. Thats exactly what most customers love about it, its simplicity. We will not change this. If you are looking for a deep sound design tool, you are simply totally wrong here. You cant blame a horse for being a horse and not a cow.

I wouldn't say that simple sound layering is deep sound design.

Rivanni · Post by **Rivanni** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:33 pm

mladi wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:19 pm
m-ac wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:50 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:16 am Here's the response from reFX on my questions:

1) Is Nexus 3 license transferable?

Yes, it can be transferred once.

3) If yes to 1, does it become NFR after it is transferred to second owner, or can the second owner resell it again?

Yes, it becomes NFR after it is transferred.

Well that's it, I am done with refx. My list of negatives far outweighs the positives at this point.

Thanks for posting that info, LoveEnigma18
NFR for second owner also do others like Spectrasonic with Omnisphere. Nothing special.

You mean equally Ridiculous.

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:34 pm

then replace with "deeper sound design" with "sound design from scratch" if you like so.
You can do a lot to alter existing presets to your needs, but you cant do anything from scratch. But as said, Nexus is a preset machine, who expects something different should look for "synthesizers"

@Rivanni

no he meant equally usual

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:23 pm

msvs wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:34 pm then replace with "deeper sound design" with "sound design from scratch" if you like so.
You can do a lot to alter existing presets to your needs, but you cant do anything from scratch. But as said, Nexus is a preset machine, who expects something different should look for "synthesizers"

@Rivanni

no he meant equally usual

Your definition of a synth and rompler seems very strange. If sound layering is already too much expected for a future version then all kontakt libraries should be synths already

Well thats why nexus is only a cash machine with v3 marginally enhanced and still succesful cause people buy this.

Not the company shall be blamed but the buyers.

mladi · Post by **mladi** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:58 pm

msvs wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:34 pm then replace with "deeper sound design" with "sound design from scratch" if you like so.
You can do a lot to alter existing presets to your needs, but you cant do anything from scratch. But as said, Nexus is a preset machine, who expects something different should look for "synthesizers"

Sound design from scratch would be with init sound but not layering sounds but anyway there are other solutions inside the DAW to layer so no big deal.

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:31 pm

You can smell the fear from reFX , it's cool man, no sweat we get it, you fear the idea, others could make a buck off of your content,as it's obvious, and this is why Multi's will be never be allowed..
The idea that someone else could profit off the sound content, and you possibly lose a sale, because your customers wanted something different, with more variety in it scares you.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:36 pm

A negative thread about Nexus? On Kvr? Who could have thought

/C

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:00 pm

msvs wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:51 pm nothing unusual there, regarding the selling and becoming NFR

and yes, Nexus' concept is being a preset machine. It always was. Thats exactly what most customers love about it, its simplicity. We will not change this. If you are looking for a deep sound design tool, you are simply totally wrong here. You cant blame a horse for being a horse and not a cow.

But indeed like u-he, like Spectraonics, Tone2, like so many others you would think they would have figured out a way to have favourites from Nexus 2 shown as favourites in Nexus 3. no?
rsp

SciFiArtMan · Post by **SciFiArtMan** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:04 pm

mladi wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:23 pm
msvs wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:51 pm and yes, Nexus' concept is being a preset machine. It always was. Thats exactly what most customers love about it, its simplicity. We will not change this. If you are looking for a deep sound design tool, you are simply totally wrong here. You cant blame a horse for being a horse and not a cow.
I wouldn't say that simple sound layering is deep sound design.

Yeah, that's a well run answer to user's desires and requests for a little creativity, but it doesn't fly! You can't just jump to extremes as an argument base - layering and/or combining sounds is hardly "deep" anything, it's just an obvious extension of the current design.

I agree virtually everyone bought Nexus as a preset machine, but that doesn't mean we should expect its growth abilities to remain stagnant and limited forever. You could use your same argument about the sequencer, or you could grow and offer a more dynamic sound creation device.

And I'll never understand why you keep saying, "most customers love... its simplicity", because NOTHING anyone is suggesting removes simplicity! We are only asking that there ALSO be a slightly deeper experience for those who care to try. One group never wants to look under the hood and that's fine, but another substantial group does - that's no reason to weld the hood shut! The simple people can still be simple! It's an apples and oranges defense!

But the point is - Nexus is a dead-horse and a one-trick pony (to use your analogy), even by you own admission. I'm sure sales will soon reflect your user base's dissatisfaction with Nexus' lack of growth and limited (and soon becoming stale and dated) expansion sets. In the meantime, many long-time users and supporters are leaving the customer base in search of a "preset machine" with a more progressive and dynamic sound creation ability. To grow and develop is the cornerstone of all successful enterprises, and people (even developers).

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:47 pm

For me nexus 3 is marketed so big improved but then it offers not much for nexus2 users. 99 bucks ? You get a full synth for that, countersrgument

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:27 pm

SciFiArtMan wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:04 pmBut the point is - Nexus is a dead-horse and a one-trick pony (to use your analogy), even by you own admission. I'm sure sales will soon reflect your user base's dissatisfaction with Nexus' lack of growth and limited (and soon becoming stale and dated) expansion sets. In the meantime, many long-time users and supporters are leaving the customer base in search of a "preset machine" with a more progressive and dynamic sound creation ability. To grow and develop is the cornerstone of all successful enterprises, and people (even developers).

I doubt any of this is true. I joined the Nexus party on Nexus 2 a few years ago. Not for one second have I considered making my own patches or really doing more than basic editing with it - ADSR, effects, filter. I'm not sure why people are so keen to push it to points that are clearly way beyond what it was ever designed to do. I've always seen it as the equivalent of a greatest hits compilation album, and there will likely always be a market for that. You want that sound for that purpose? There it is. Bang on. You wanna get creative? Go somewhere else. As I usually do. Doesn't stop Nexus being great at what it does.

Nexus 3 is not - yet - an unqualified success. The mixer still feels a little clumsy, no sep outs to help mixing, the tagging is badly conceived and usually non-existent anyway. Load time of the plugin itself is pretty sluggish compared to Nexus 2. But its browser is otherwise massively better, and I wouldn't want to go back.

I wish people would accept what Nexus 3 is and moreover what it could be, and push for realistic improvements like genre tags (an absolutely bang on the money core feature it should have), or sep outs etc. I don't get the desire for creating your own patches at all. Not with Nexus.

ReFx Nexus 3 (N3) Finally here!