When is a sample so edited or altered that it is not copyrighted?

[AnX]

Youre really that comfortable that high up on that horse..?

im very comfortable knowing the difference between right and wrong

[jancivil]

Yeah, you’re awfully comfortable acting like a total absence of ethics is normal, and like the infantile “everyone does it” is some shit you just had to type.

[jancivil]

yup, the reality is, no one is going to spend money on lawyers unless you've made enough money to be worth sueing. at which point it becomes publicity for both artists and can often be sorted amicably out of court.

There are various disciplines, one of them the study of law, another regarding psychology, where the potential conflict of legality and ethics is looked at closely, and in the latter case essential enough to where you might need to write on it (showing your work) in order to become licensed.

It strikes me as sad commentary on the state of this world today the concern in these threads is ‘just don’t get caught, and as there’s no money involved no worries.’

Lot of effort going into not learning how to get the sound your own self, which is KVR today fer sher

[jancivil]

Ya know, they have whole drums samples applications now, with whole libraries made for you, incl compressors and EQs and everything. but gods forbid you roll your own part. One supposes a hiphop aesthetics demands the modus operandi, though, isn’t it.

I think musical culture took a nose-dive right here, personally... something we can agree to disagree on I guess.

another rather clueless assertion is it’s not necessarily the drumming or the drum, it’s all production. No, if the drumming is stiff and awkward your production is not going to fool anybody it’s funky drumming. And this is why you grab that sample off a record, you know this under all the fronting.
I don’t think anybody would start with a 10 dollar KMart snare either.

Self-deception is strong among our species.

[highkoo]

total absence of ethics

Actually, Im not the one having this ridiculous fake discussion pretending like this is a black and white issue and saying that sampling = c**t.

If your opinion is that sampling is morally wrong, period, youre a much bigger c**t than anyone doing it to even those morally wrong degrees.

[jancivil]

“that high up on that horse”

unhinged, in particular as you think that would shame somebody for the offense of saying ‘stealing is wrong’

[highkoo]

Youve got it backwards.
Unhinged is sitting on a music forum shaming the concept of sampling.

[Hink]

lay off the attacks...no need for it

[jancivil]

shaming the concept of sampling.

There is a difference between ”the concept of sampling”, the general and the specific *sampling other people’s music and recording of it*. This is really not difficult.

[jancivil]

“a music forum”. Not seeing what a platform for music discussion does that promotes sampling, through itself, let alone promotes the appropriation of recorded works sans permission. AFAICT this is a plugins forum anyway.
There was music for a long time before there was any way to record audio, in fact.

I certainly am not your strawman, I was sampling as soon as I could, just never found the need to take music others made in lieu of my own, say, drum parts. You can characterize that any way you like, doesn’t matter.

[JoeCat]

If I call someone a demeaning word, but put an * in place of one of the characters so it's hardly recognizable, did I use the word? Asking for a friend...

I just don't see the point sampling records, etc. anymore. When you found that Wintons record at the flea market back in '86 and started an entire music genre by speeding up the drum break, you could at least somewhat balance your ethical lapse with your genius creativity; now, no one's going to know you didn't get that from Loopmasters.

As a matter of fact, I think even that sample was legit from Ultimate Breaks and Beats, which, if it's still available, has all the funk a producer will need, given the 8 billion ways to slice, dice, and mangle any given loop.

[Hink]

If I call someone a demeaning word, but put an * in place of one of the characters so it's hardly recognizable, did I use the word? Asking for a friend...

in this case as with some other words the choice is made by the filters for KvR

[JoeCat]

(this particular subforum is Samplers, Sampling, and Sample Libraries)

[JoeCat]

If I call someone a demeaning word, but put an * in place of one of the characters so it's hardly recognizable, did I use the word? Asking for a friend...

in this case as with some other words the choice is made by the filters for KvR

Yeah, I was being snarky

(and TY for the hard work here, Hink )

[jancivil]

FTR, I characterized the remark I quoted as unhinged, which I could’ve simply clicked the emoticon for, not to say some individual I never met in life is unhinged as a matter of course as a person.