Waves - What can we do?

[Ploki]

Value doesn’t exist other than in the mind of the consumer. It is completely arbitrary.

well yeah, the point is they are attempting to manipulate consumers by making it appear their products higher value than they actually do

[Mushy Mushy]

Value doesn’t exist other than in the mind of the consumer. It is completely arbitrary.

well yeah, the point is they are attempting to manipulate consumers by making it appear their products higher value than they actually do

Still don’t see the issue (other than by strictly applying law as you’re attempting to do). And TBH that’s still debatable anyway.

If I pay $29 and am happy with that price that’s all that matters. We don’t need to be handheld through our daily shopping by the authorities.

Resist the snowflakes. White (snow) power*



* That’s not racist before anybody reports me.

[ramseysounds]

Careful. I used the term snowflake (which is appropriate by the way) and got shot down

[Mushy Mushy]

Careful. I used the term snowflake (which is appropriate by the way) and got shot down

Oh

Anyway, I’m out. I really genuinely don’t care enough to get involved.

[profaudio]

Value doesn’t exist other than in the mind of the consumer. It is completely arbitrary.

well yeah, the point is they are attempting to manipulate consumers by making it appear their products higher value than they actually do

Still don’t see the issue (other than by strictly applying law as you’re attempting to do). And TBH that’s still debatable anyway.

If I pay $29 and am happy with that price that’s all that matters. We don’t need to be handheld through our daily shopping by the authorities.

Wait so you don't mind a company telling you e.g. that the price is the "best price ever" (even tho it's been cheaper) and that there are "8 units available at this price" (so you rush to get one of them because well there are and at checkout read "all sales are final" - only to discover that there are way more than 8 available, its not the best price ever, but there's nothing you can do about it because there's no returns/refunds because "all sales are final". Then also find out down the line that if you ever need an update you'll need to pay again (at a higher price).

Is it not too much to ask that companies just be HONEST & DECENT?

[profaudio]

Careful. I used the term snowflake (which is appropriate by the way) and got shot down

Oh

Anyway, I’m out. I really genuinely don’t care enough to get involved.

Good call. There are plenty of problems in this world where nothing is done. Nothing special here. Obivously very minor in comparison. Although probably the same mindset, on all sides, but just different situations.

[Ploki]

Careful. I used the term snowflake (which is appropriate by the way) and got shot down

Oh

Anyway, I’m out. I really genuinely don’t care enough to get involved.

Good call. There are plenty of problems in this world where nothing is done. Nothing special here. Obivously very minor in comparison. Although probably the same mindset, on all sides, but just different situations.

yeah.

[AdvancedFollower]

I hate Waves unethical marketing tactics as much as anyone but it's fairly harmless in the grand scheme of things. It's just audio production plugins so I just can't work up the energy to be terribly upset. There are lots of companies that do a lot more harm to people and/or the environment...

I will keep using the Waves plugins I still find useful/enjoyable, but I rarely buy anything new from them these days. Gradually I'm also finding equivalent or better replacements from other developers, but there are still a few Waves plugins I can't live without.

[Ploki]

Gradually I'm also finding equivalent or better replacements from other developers, but there are still a few Waves plugins I can't live without.

Which?

Not provoking, just curious

[AnX]

did anyone die?

[vurt]

did anyone die?

nope,not since the opening of this thread, anywhere in the universe!
it's as if death has died

[vurt]

i think that's an apple thing though, sounds like the kind of dark magick them and poogle get up to.
not waves.

[FarleyCZ]

I think we don't have to do anything. At all. See, I work in television, although just local, I meet professional soundguys regularly. The idea of a huge company you work for, that pays for all of your expanses is less and less common. Big chunk of work is being moved into smaller privately owned studios. And in those studios, the owner usually work in them.
The story of "everything was working fine until I tried re-install my machine" is more and more common. You have to realize, Waves stayed industry standard, because wherever their plugins were previously isntalled, they stayed working for a long time. But with the e-licensing and WUP mess they made recently, there is inherent and purposeful inconvenience in re-istalling your collection of outdated Waves stuff. That means, out of the sudden, there is quite a large possible expanse ahead. (depending on the count of plugins said studio has) ...and the studio owner would have to pay it from his pocket.

The only guys technically dependant on Waves are live guys with Waves Grids, but honestly, live consoles themselves are getting so good, that these folks need dedicated waves stuff less and less. ...effectivelly limiting their need for Waves to their favorite specialty plugins. They can have their 29 Eur CLA-Vox or whatever and stop caring about rest of Waves if they want.

The old versions totally can be installed, but Waves doesn't really want you to. That makes a lot of people across studios and across companies repeat the sentence that this topic is full of too. "I love my old Waves stuff, but I won't buy the new ones."

We don't have to do anything. As long as there are more convenient and more capable alternatives, people will slowly move from Waves. Accross the whole industry. They like to think they are Avid, but they're not. I wouldn't say the same thing about Pro-Tools. It's similarly outdated and underdeveloped product (oooh I can feel the fire coming), but that one is something people actually can't replace in their workflows. But plugins? Yeah, you just take one out and swap another one in. Solved.

Imho, all we need to do is grab some popcorn and wait for them to go down.

[AnX]

did anyone die?

nope,not since the opening of this thread, anywhere in the universe!
it's as if death has died

so drawing attention to this travesty has actually saved lives?

[Forgotten]

i think that's an apple thing though, sounds like the kind of dark magick them and poogle get up to.
not waves.

You just wait - someday it will be revealed that Poogle is behind all of this.