Ableton Max for live devices

[WasteLand]

Another must-have device for Push 2 users from Isotonik. It allows you to map (or remap) any plugin in free and logical way. In fact, you can create custom parameter banks, structure parameters inside and rename them. A little bit pricey but there is no alternative for now.

https://isotonikstudios.com/product/pre ... g-utility/

it is easy to implement me thinks.

there is no much info, can i program the buttons, above the display two (i have push 2)?
can they be programmed as step, toggle and momentary.

Now you can't. I hope Ableton will implement Preditor 2 in the feature updates. I think they wouldn't make a new device for that purpose anyway. Push 2 is the main reason why I didn't switch to Bitwig yet so I really hope Ableton will continue to improve integration.

thanks for the info. ableton can do better. the implementation is a bit (more than a bit) erratic. still great, but strange ommissions. my choice was also dictated by the push 2. and bitwig is great, but a lot of things i can do with plugins and other DAW's i have. that ableton can't do. and ableton can do a lot, the other DAW's can't, or not that easy.

[pottering]

It would be great if someone skilled in M4L will copy these ideas as is and offer it for more reasonable prices ))

That's a dick move, no serious developer will do that.

Especially in Max MSP community, which has no DRM (AFAIK) and you can see and edit the "code".

Most devs are in contact with each other in Max MSP forums, pretty much every Max MSP dev gets (and gives) help and tips from other devs, people like Maurizio Giri and Federico Foderaro.

But that's true for plugins too, almost no dev will just copy something and sell it for cheaper.

Ableton sure doesn't do that, so don't expect any "free Preditor 2" in future Live updates.

[Biscotto]

and bitwig is great, but a lot of things i can do with plugins and other DAW's i have. that ableton can't do. and ableton can do a lot, the other DAW's can't, or not that easy.

Agree about the plugins usage, and after celebrating the euforia of using the built in modulations in BW, I came back to make music as before.
Isotonik Modulat did allowed me to balance the use of the two daws.
Right now Ableton is having an edge in my creativity flow again.

[WasteLand]

and bitwig is great, but a lot of things i can do with plugins and other DAW's i have. that ableton can't do. and ableton can do a lot, the other DAW's can't, or not that easy.

Agree about the plugins usage, and after celebrating the euforia of using the built in modulations in BW, I came back to make music as before.
Isotonik Modulat did allowed me to balance the use of the two daws.
Right now Ableton is having an edge in my creativity flow again.

the built in modulations are tempting also the routing capabilities, but i do not seem to miss them, the routing capabilities (and i have also reaper, so..). but i like automation, i like to have control. but i like also modulation, i have 3 soft modular environments i frequently use, and for all 3 i bought a lot of modules. so that is my modulation heaven... and unfiltered audio.. and meldaproduction... and glitchmachines... and with Voltage modular (and reason 10) i can modulate vst(i)...

isotonik modulat, i have my eye on it... but i do not encounter any limits at this moment, for what i want. but it is a great set of devices.

but automation, not always modulation, is great fun, and cubase 10.5 pro gives me automation, with my stack of controllers.. also in ableton of course.. but for automation i use mostly cubase, i am used to cubase. my first DAW...

and you are right, it aren't the capabilities of the DAW, but what gives you "the flow", as you call it, and every DAW has another flow... it changes how i make things..

but i am not hater, bitwig is a great DAW, never used it, but it seems great. and me thinks, i already own so many stuff, i discover "every day" new possibilities. for me it works, many ecosystems. sometimes problematic when i want to use them all, but that makes me creative, resampling and importing/exporting. my main workflow its source is making sounds, synths or samples. or both, or.. endless.

and there are m4l devices, cheaper, or free, or built in, that can do a lot.

[Biscotto]

and bitwig is great, but a lot of things i can do with plugins and other DAW's i have. that ableton can't do. and ableton can do a lot, the other DAW's can't, or not that easy.

Agree about the plugins usage, and after celebrating the euforia of using the built in modulations in BW, I came back to make music as before.
Isotonik Modulat did allowed me to balance the use of the two daws.
Right now Ableton is having an edge in my creativity flow again.

the built in modulations are tempting also the routing capabilities, but i do not seem to miss them, the routing capabilities (and i have also reaper, so..). but i like automation, i like to have control. but i like also modulation, i have 3 soft modular environments i frequently use, and for all 3 i bought a lot of modules. so that is my modulation heaven... and unfiltered audio.. and meldaproduction... and glitchmachines... and with Voltage modular (and reason 10) i can modulate vst(i)...

Tempting...
I wouldn't do it again if I could go back in time.
But M4L tools are here to stay for me.

[Dombaeb]

It would be great if someone skilled in M4L will copy these ideas as is and offer it for more reasonable prices ))

That's a dick move, no serious developer will do that.

Of course, if I want these features for less price I need to master M4L and make my own preditor but I can't agree that this tool should cost so much anyway. It looks like a wrong move actually).

Preditor can be a must-have plugin for Push users instead of a secret premium fetish tool for those who cares. I believe Isotonik raises their prices because of company enlargement (more developers, more support members, etc.) so I wish them all good.

It would be great if someone skilled in M4L will copy these ideas as is and offer it for more reasonable prices ))

Ableton sure doesn't do that, so don't expect any "free Preditor 2" in future Live updates.

If Ableton will stop implement valuable features in their ecosystem it would be a bad sign. Yes, they need to defend M4L developers but not to morph "the best DAW out of the box" to something that I need to construct by yourself before it will become cool.

Push is the modern instrument which has to become better, with better workflow, better usability and better integration. Ableton doesn’t have to copy predictor interface, they are good designers and definitely can do it in other, more wise way. My point that they definitely shouldn’t be afraid to add this functionality (and I’m sure they’re not actually )))

[tooneba]

It would be great if someone skilled in M4L will copy these ideas as is and offer it for more reasonable prices ))

That's a dick move, no serious developer will do that.

Especially in Max MSP community, which has no DRM (AFAIK) and you can see and edit the "code".

Most devs are in contact with each other in Max MSP forums, pretty much every Max MSP dev gets (and gives) help and tips from other devs, people like Maurizio Giri and Federico Foderaro.

But that's true for plugins too, almost no dev will just copy something and sell it for cheaper.

Ableton sure doesn't do that, so don't expect any "free Preditor 2" in future Live updates.

On the other side of coin, market is decided by the consumers. If there are demand, providers are supposed to provide what consumers want. I won’t judge which is good or evil, but it’s fact.

[pottering]

There is already plenty of competition for Preditor 2 (from Sigabort), there is remotify.io, DDC and Arsenal from nativeKONTROL (same dev as ClyphyX Pro, which may be another option), some M4L devices, some controllers have alternative scripts, "generic" scripts like Mackie can fit some controllers, some other controllers can be configured to match other controllers that have scripts, etc.

Some are in Isotonik itself.

https://isotonikstudios.com/product-cat ... ntrollers/

http://www.sigabort.co/m4l.html

http://remotify.io/

https://nativekontrol.com/ddc

https://shop.nativekontrol.com/pages/products

https://gumroad.com/l/SgohV

And you can always build your own scripts.

https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... ace-script

My favorite is actually this one (name is actually "ONE", $8), the simplest:

https://4live.me/post/175317037723

[xbitz]

https://maxforlive.com/library/device/2 ... -clipnames
+
MIDI Note to Clip Slot Trigger http://maxforlive.com/library/device/27 ... ot-trigger quite nice together

[dave dove]

Here are my devices:
http://k-teck.co.uk/lockstitch-quad-euclidean-sequencer

http://k-teck.co.uk/paul-proper-fun-euclidean-sequencer

http://k-teck.co.uk/adlais

http://k-teck.co.uk/max-for-live/the-lads - VA sequenced percussion


you can tell I like sequencers...

Dave

[W23]

Has anyone tried this? It’s pretty brilliant. Throw it in front of a 909 kit and convince yourself that you are a complex beat programming god. And it’s free, no less.

https://maxforlive.com/library/index.ph ... =Idm+drums

[xbitz]

can be created nice modulation chain with it

https://maxforlive.com/library/device/4060/performer
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/4502/multimap-pro

[pottering]

A nice tip to search maxforlive.com.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ableton/commen ... om_search/

Use google and search with "site:maxforlive.com/library/device/ -php query". You'll actually find something.

Also one site I think should get more attention is Sonic Bloom. The site itself is pretty well-known due to its loads of tutorials and tips, but I feel the Max For Cats M4L stuff sold there gets overlooked.

https://sonicbloom.net/en/product-categ ... ive-packs/

[pottering]

I was messing with Amazing Noises' Dirty Tricks, and it has a device named Brickwall I overlooked due to its description ("band-pass/band-reject brickwall filter"), but I found out it works kinda like a surprisingly clear "limiter".

I put super loud audio through it and it lowers the audio to under 0 dBFS pretty well, yet it doesn't seem to squash peaks or change dynamics that much.

It is really weird to me, it is not really a limiter, but it keeps audio under 0 dBFS...

Is that common in "brickwall filters"?

If you own Dirty Tricks check that device, it is pretty crazy.

[Winstontaneous]

I was messing with Amazing Noises' Dirty Tricks, and it has a device named Brickwall I overlooked due to its description ("band-pass/band-reject brickwall filter"), but I found out it works kinda like a surprisingly clear "limiter".

I put super loud audio through it and it lowers the audio to under 0 dBFS pretty well, yet it doesn't seem to squash peaks or change dynamics that much.

It is really weird to me, it is not really a limiter, but it keeps audio under 0 dBFS...

Is that common in "brickwall filters"?

If you own Dirty Tricks check that device, it is pretty crazy.

Have you looked at the M4L innards of this plugin? I haven't with this one but I have inspected the inner workings of AN's Color Limiter, and there are more controls/DSP processes active (like Gating) than are shown on the device's Presentation panel.