IS FM synthesis your goto?

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fluffy_little_something
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12922 posts since 5 Jun, 2012

Post Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:57 am

Apostate wrote:Sorry, man. It IS pretty funny though, huh. :clown:
He actually muted "what the", which is funny :hihi:

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KVRian
1207 posts since 16 Sep, 2006

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:59 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:
Apostate wrote:Sorry, man. It IS pretty funny though, huh. :clown:
He actually muted "what the", which is funny :hihi:
Even more offensive!
Ha ha suck it!

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SODDI
KVRAF
3322 posts since 2 Jul, 2007

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:12 am

The best way I have learned to program FM8 is to program FM8. Grab a preset and FthatSU - in situ, in a song, because that's where you find out what you're doing, how minor changes in one op will affect the modulation of other ops. Work in expert mode. Play with the ops' envelopes.

I'm probably going to get called out for my ignorance here, but the FM8 is probably the best Chowning-style FM synth out there, hardware or software.

Apostate
KVRian
1207 posts since 16 Sep, 2006

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:19 am

SODDI wrote:The best way I have learned to program FM8 is to program FM8. Grab a preset and FthatSU - in situ, in a song, because that's where you find out what you're doing, how minor changes in one op will affect the modulation of other ops. Work in expert mode. Play with the ops' envelopes.

I'm probably going to get called out for my ignorance here, but the FM8 is probably the best Chowning-style FM synth out there, hardware or software.
I like that synth, but for almost never use it. I do know that I prefer the workflow and overall sound of Sytrus better. But then, I like that whole Harmor/Sytrus gui-style to begin with.
Ha ha suck it!

liquidsound
KVRAF
2950 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:27 am

That's exactly my reaction when I got my DX7 a SamAsh when it first came out.
I looked at the list of algorithms and the little edit screen :cry:
And trust me it sounded way worse than the video :tu:
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liquidsound
KVRAF
2950 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:32 am

SODDI wrote:The best way I have learned to program FM8 is to program FM8. Grab a preset and FthatSU - in situ, in a song, because that's where you find out what you're doing, how minor changes in one op will affect the modulation of other ops. Work in expert mode. Play with the ops' envelopes.

I'm probably going to get called out for my ignorance here, but the FM8 is probably the best Chowning-style FM synth out there, hardware or software.
Yes. FM8 has a very clear way of showing the flow of the interaction among Operators (?)
Sytrus and Octopus are very similar but not as visually helpful as in the FM8 IMO
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fmr
KVRAF
9311 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:55 am

liquidsound wrote:
SODDI wrote:The best way I have learned to program FM8 is to program FM8. Grab a preset and FthatSU - in situ, in a song, because that's where you find out what you're doing, how minor changes in one op will affect the modulation of other ops. Work in expert mode. Play with the ops' envelopes.

I'm probably going to get called out for my ignorance here, but the FM8 is probably the best Chowning-style FM synth out there, hardware or software.
Yes. FM8 has a very clear way of showing the flow of the interaction among Operators (?)
Sytrus and Octopus are very similar but not as visually helpful as in the FM8 IMO
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liquidsound
KVRAF
2950 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:51 am

Similar Matrix as the two above...
MuLab.Ableton.Diva.Zebra.Repro-1.Dune2.The Legend.ArcSyn.Spire.TAL

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KVRist
215 posts since 11 Jun, 2019 from Darmstadt, Germany

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:49 pm

FM is simply beautiful. I think that should be mentioned here, although it requires some Patience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvr8x9t ... e=youtu.be
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TobyB
KVRist
59 posts since 18 Dec, 2018

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:10 pm

I think FM is a really interesting modality... I grew up when the DX7 appeared with a whole lot of exciting new stuff that normal musicians (or not) could afford.
FM8 is definitely good, but although a lot more user friendly than predecessors, it needs a lot of work.
The Elektron Digitone is a good compromise to start on ... good useful sounds are easy to create ... and a lot more than the 1 or 2 operator FM options on many synths where it's a modulation like Ring or PWM rather than synthesis ... there's a very educational video by Loopop that is worth a watch even if you take the principles to another synth.
I am looking forward to the Kodamo Essence FM synthesizer ... it might be FM8 in a box for a new decade, with MPE, massive polyphony and all sorts of new ideas ... vastly more exciting to me than yet another re-make of last century analog subtractive technology...

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resistent
KVRian
523 posts since 14 Apr, 2008 from Berlin

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:07 pm

Love FM synthesis. I use it mainly for drums, ambient textures, pad, inharmonic stuff in general, plucked sounds, basses. Love the fact that one is able to shape a sound from ground up and that FM allows to go from sine to noise. Beginning of the 2000s I worked in a studio with a couple of Yamaha FM synths and felt immediately in love although programming was a pain. Still I think that the FS1R and SY99 are soundwise a bit ahead in comparison to vst FMs. Nevertheless I find FM8 the easiest to use and well though FM synths ever. It's a shame there seems no further development. A couple of changes, resizable GUI and ironing out some quirks would put FM9 to the real Kings of FM. Nowadays I don't use FM8 anymore the gui is way too small. Now I use Zebra and Operator for my FM needs.

Funny thing is that I consider to delve into vst programming a couple months ago. I'm afraid of the programming part but I'm quite far with the design. My vision is a fundamental FM synth without compromises or too much non FM stuff - no sample, almost no subtractive approach, etc. A mixture out of FM8, Operator, Sytrus, Octopus and a couple of little things I came up with. I hope c++ is not unbearable for me.

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pdxindy
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16347 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:18 pm

I would like to get a Digitone...

In software, Bazille is my favorite FM synth.

simmo75
KVRAF
1891 posts since 25 Mar, 2016 from Seattle

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:44 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:18 pm
I would like to get a Digitone...

In software, Bazille is my favorite FM synth.
I love my Digitone, it’s so easy to make stunningly beautiful or absolutely filthy sounds from. Highly recommended.

Edit: and the sequencer is very good :)

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foosnark
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5112 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

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Post Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:59 am

I see I have a 4 year old response to this thread and I'm finding it hilarious.
foosnark wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:21 am
I don't use FM as much as sampling or subtractive...
Since getting into modular, my use of subtractive synthesis fell way off and sampling has almost disappeared from use. FM is one of my most common synthesis techniques -- though inspired more by "West Coast" synthesis than Yamaha-style.

I'm circling around a bit. I have an Akemie's Castle module, which is a big 4-op FM synth with vintage Yamaha OPL3 chips, only with knobs and CV. It's dirty and full of glitches and weirdness and I love it. But I also quite like 2-op FM synthesis with analog control paths, slightly off-tuned ratios etc. and sometimes exponential FM.

I'm planning to make my next album kind of a combined study of Akemie's Castle and subtractive synthesis... the former to dive deep and really get to know it, the latter to reacquaint myself. I know there's more to it than supersaws and boring same-old filter sweeps, and in particular, drive/saturation and filtering can interact with each other in some nice ways.

But anyway, yes, FM synthesis is my go-to in general. I also am big into resonators and feedback patching though.

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pdxindy
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16347 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Re: IS FM synthesis your goto?

Post Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:01 pm

simmo75 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:44 pm
pdxindy wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:18 pm
I would like to get a Digitone...

In software, Bazille is my favorite FM synth.
I love my Digitone, it’s so easy to make stunningly beautiful or absolutely filthy sounds from. Highly recommended.

Edit: and the sequencer is very good :)
I consistently love the sound of Digitone demos... that is always a good sign

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