rhodes

[learjeff]

Jafo, with respect to my soundfont, I retain copyright but you are free to use it in your music. If you're selling sample collections, please contact me at the email address on my website, http://learjeff.com . If you're interested in mirroring it, I'd rather you wait for now because I may tinker with it a bit. Eventually I'll probably be posting it at several popular soundfont sites.

Mr. Scarbee, the DVD box was unopened; the seal was still on it, and I had to tear the heck out of that seal to open the box. It's possible that I was misled by very clever repackaging. When I get home I can look more closely at the seal, and if you're interested, perhaps we can determine whether it was valid or not.

However, I'm interested in your claim that it's illegal to resell samples. It's not illegal to resell a music CD, what's the difference? I would say that it's illegal to resell it and keep the original, but is it illegal to buy "used" products?

Perhaps it may be against the licence agreement on certain packages, but for example, MS software specifically allows resale under proper conditions (removal and destruction of backups, etc.) Those kinds of terms are hard to police. However, I'm far less interested in buying anything if the resale value is zero.

Do you officially represent Scarbee?

I don't believe that samples receive any special treatment in copyright law. Seems to me it's no different in concept to software. There are special issues for performing arts (i.e., compulsory licence), but none that I know of concerning phonorecordings, which is what I assume samples would be considered. But this is based on my interpretation of what I read at http://copyright.gov; I'm not a lawyer. Please let me know if I'm mistaken, and cite sources if possible.

I make an effort to be ethical with respect to copyrights and licensing.

Regards,
Jeff

[papatomany]

NOTHING TO SEE HERE

PLEASE DISPERSE!

[Mr.Scarbee]

Hi LearJeff,

Yes I am official Scarbee - since I am the director and producer of the keyboard and bass libraries.

It is common that you can not re-sell or buy second hand sample libraries and Virtual Instruments. You are licening the right to USE the sounds - but don't OWN them. Therefore you can not sell the sounds to anyone.

It's the same with all other companies too like Spectrasonics, Garritan, Yellowtools, Eastwest etc.

Unfortunately we have recnetly caught some people selling "original" products on ebay - with new names and packaging - based on our samples. This is crime and our legal department are keeping and eye on any keyboard and bass library and check if our samples have been used - EQ'ed, filtered or processed.

This is NOT legal to use our samples to create a new sample product or loop library. The samples are ONLY for making music.

take care

[SaviorNeeded]

Interesting remarks! If you are doing a documentary, you might look into the story of Telemachus, the last man to be killed by a gladiator. It was the way he died that put an end to it all.

Tom

[Sascha Franck]

Hey Jeff,

Very nice Rhodes patch, thanks!
I do however think the samples could be a bit compressed (sure, you can allways do it while mixing, but that'd not be the same)...


Hm, just played around a bit more, maybe it's just that your Rhodes is a rather "tame" one. Not sure whether my ears are treating me right, but I'd usually like a bit more of "bite" or so - maybe it's just that. Perhaps I should try through some amp sim.

However, I may fool around a bit with the samples and eventually repatch them (giga conversion allways sucks when being converted, you usually end up with one zone per key rather than some root key zone being spread over more keys). Will tell you wether the results are suiting my needs any better or not.
For the record: I'm using EXS and Kontakt, so things might be different anyways.

Anyways, a nice patch nonetheless!

[nocompromise]

... I will do what i can to stop the decline - or to start preparing for the next civilisation

you're right. civilisiation is in decline. its a part of human history and evolution.
what i'm doing is working on my art. and trying to prepare morally(?)/personally/whatever(?) for the times ahead.
Whats your slant on this, with regards your work? I guess you're a musician too or artist (there is I believe a distinction here).
Is selling (Licensing?) samples just your way of getting by or is there a fundamental conflict here between building an empire for the future ie making money and doing 'what you can'?
Anyways, I'm not getting at you for what you do. I'm impressed that you've taken the time to comment the way you did. Hurray for another 'thinker' on here
And I agree with what you said.
BTW How is it possible to tell when someone steals your library and sells it on ebay? Have you got teams of people analysing sample libraries? How can you control this kind of thing? Just curious.

However the other side of humanity - the emotions,and moral is learned through pain and suffering and brought to next generations through rules, laws and religion.

This is where art comes in

[bebop]

One more vote for the surprisingly great PrecisionSound Dusty MKII (around 50$ http://precisionsound.net/dustyinfo.htm)
and for MrRay (specially v2.1).
(I usually don't like to advertise for software gears as they are part of what makes one's music sound different than other's, and as is some kind of cooking recipe secrets, but ok, doing it once won't kill the principle )

You can listen to the Dusty MKII demos on their site, these demos don't cheat (I don't mean others do, but 230mb of samples for a multilayered sampled rhodes, it can look strange), what they let you hear is what you get with this product. This sample librairy is rather small and won't overload your ram, although it's 24bits : the trick is in the looped samples, and the loop points are not noticeable.
Only thing is that you'll need one of the required samplers (or a good converter).

Concerning morals and barbary, just two facts :
1 - don't forget the modern definition of morals (Kant) is not based on religious aspects ("don't do to others what you wouldn't want them to do to you"), and this is a MAJOR difference between ancient and modern empires. Besides, we don't have slaves anymore, and this changes the deal significantly too. That said, you can choose to see morals as an essential necessity (but God is just behind this idea, with all it implies), or to see morals as the history of moral conceptions (in what case there's no definitive truth in it, just the relative truth of an epoch). You can judge by yourself of all the bad things some do to others in the Name of Morals (and God), and you can surely conceive too that being a non believer in such matter does not imply necessarily to be bad to others. In this regard intelligence is not a cold and neutral ability, but rather this ability to understand "good" and "bad" are not abstract essentials, but efficiency dependant ; there is more FOR ME AND FOR YOU in doing good to each others than in fullfilling my own interests strictly - you can judge by yourself how inefficient could be WTO f.e. :
2 - While only 30% of the rich populations of rich countries declare they are happy in their life, 70% of the poor countries's populations declare they are. Go figure!

[loomchild]

Hi LearJeff,

Yes I am official Scarbee - since I am the director and producer of the keyboard and bass libraries.

It is common that you can not re-sell or buy second hand sample libraries and Virtual Instruments. You are licening the right to USE the sounds - but don't OWN them. Therefore you can not sell the sounds to anyone.

It's the same with all other companies too like Spectrasonics, Garritan, Yellowtools, Eastwest etc.

Unfortunately we have recnetly caught some people selling "original" products on ebay - with new names and packaging - based on our samples. This is crime and our legal department are keeping and eye on any keyboard and bass library and check if our samples have been used - EQ'ed, filtered or processed.

This is NOT legal to use our samples to create a new sample product or loop library. The samples are ONLY for making music.

It's sad that the overall moral is in free fall (not just in music software) because it has consequences for the end user.

Personally I belive we see the decline of the western civilisation (like the decline of the Roman civilisation) There are many similarities to the last days of Rome. Grab a history book and read and you will instantly see how it sounds like "our time".
In short words people - rich and poor - found that their life was empty - no devinity (no spirituality), and the material world was not bringing them happiness. So the poor became christians and the rich started to be interested in dreams, clairvoyance and other occult stuff. At the same time enetertainment was more and more absurd with gladiator fights (Robinson is a mind-gladiator fight) christians versus lions etc. There were hundreds of whore houses and sex and drinking was going crazy. In politics everything became more and more corrupt and democracy was facing dictatorship (a strong man) Interestingly the overal technological/educational/intellectual level was extremely high - evn for today standards. The romans had many plans for the future so it was not lacking ideas.

Gradually people started leaving rome and moved outside - to other countries too. The became fundamentalists (christians) and dwelved in religion and a more primitive way of living for 1100-1300 years (until the renaisance brought back culture)

The "barbarians" took over Rom using the roads that were the prime of the empire and the empire was lost.

I personally belive that the growing fundementalisme (any religion or newage stuff) all over the world is a priciple reaction/development in any civilisation - basically because in the end intelligence will keep on growing (any obstacle brings intellingence since you have to solve problem, so you can't avoid being more cleever)and intelligence needs NO moral at all (just think of nazi doctor mengele) Intelligence is a "clean" human ability (no emotions)

However the other side of humanity - the emotions,and moral is learned throug pain and suffering and brought to next generations through rules, laws and religion.

At some point in a civilisation the intellectual level will be so high that it will bring "religion" to death, since the old writings will seem foolish and non-logical. At the same time the grown intelligence will bring massive materialism and we will be tempted by all the goods and it will be everyting we strive for. Owning stuff will be the new religion and there will be wars between rich and poor since everybody will own stuff.

Also the growing intelligence will question all moral - like "who says it's wrong to steal - God? - but there is no god so who cares?"

In these last days of a civilisation the sexuality will also change. With a stronger mind we will ask questions about our sexuality and this will lead to freedom and humanity - but unfortunately without moral/religion it will also have an ugly side which will lead people to depravation and pervertion.
The sexual energy is much higher in the end of a civilasation and really needs to be controlled.
The energy can be so hard to tame that you can loose control and will have to give after. This explosion of sexual energy is the reason behind sexual abuse of children, rapes , lust murders etc.

But we are not aware of this and is constantly tempted by medias (which focus a lot on porn and violence) This also happened in Rome.

The strong sexiúal energy that all highly developed people in a civil have can be controlled and tamed with high moral and by performing art (the "need for creation" feeling you know) and by helping other living creatures - including people, making friendships, forgiving enemies etc. The sexual energy will come out like a shower in small water-stripes instead of a wave that will push you down and drown you.

anyway - I gotta work now..hehe

Sorry for the long post. I'm currently in contact with a journalist and tv producer whose eyes have been opened on this subject and we will look at possibilities of doing a documentary about this.
Because it is quite serious. If I am right in my theory we are afcing some tough times and I will do what i can to stop the decline - or to start preparing for the next civilisation.

Winston Churchill once said: "Those who forgets history are doomed to repeat it!" Machiavelli had same thoughts - we repeat the same patterns as we are humans with human abilities. Only the level or look of technology is changing.


take care

Your whole theory is the rationae behind all kind of facisms. It's interesting to see that it is pretty much the arguments that have been used by Mussolini or Hitler to justify the creation of a new era...




EDIT: Just a question: The civilization is declining from what exactly?
From what it was in the Middle Ages? From what it was in 1950?

Since when has it exactly started to decline, and what exactly had made its rise in the past?

This is very very scary

[topaz]

WOW, that was a mega post.

so for now, how about doing a mega thing and offering K-V-R user a nice mini set of Scarbee rhodes.

not 100 different ones just a few really nice ones at a cool price.

I for one cant even consider paying $199 for a set of rhodes samples.

cheers/
Topaz

Personally I belive we see the decline of the western civilisation (like the decline of the Roman civilisation) There are many similarities to the last days of Rome.

[pitchdrifter]

Thomas, did you just have a spliff?

[Jafo]

EDIT: Just a question: The civilization is declining from what exactly?
From what it was in the Middle Ages? From what it was in 1950?

Since when has it exactly started to decline, and what exactly had made its rise in the past?

This is very very scary

i'd like to second that.

-- just another f*cking observer

[Jafo]

Gradually people started leaving rome and moved outside - to other countries too. The became fundamentalists (christians) and dwelved in religion and a more primitive way of living for 1100-1300 years (until the renaisance brought back culture)
take care

this may be the funniest thing i've read all week.

so, since the middle ages weren't culture (never mind the efforts of chaucer, chretien de troyes, the troubadors, the grail poets, even eleanor of aquitaine) and lived in a more primitive way of living (never mind the innovations in art, science, and technology -- such as those lovely gothic cathedrals), and "dwelved" in fundamentalist religion (never mind how green men and other pagan symbols appeared all over christian churches, and how the exhaustive commentaries upon commentaries of symbolic -- not literal -- interpretations of scriptures in christian, jewish, and muslim traditions), what did people do in that period of time? did they just wander around homeless and unclothed, waiting for byzantium to be sacked?

hmm, maybe they did those cave paintings...

when you know not of what you write, your hand is best used for turning the pages of a book.

-- just another f*cking observer

[wrench45us]

In politics everything became more and more corrupt and democracy was facing dictatorship (a strong man)

i wasn't aware that the roman empire was actually a representative democracy.

we do indeed live in strange times.
i've figured that out just by reading the NY Times op ed section online everyday
current favorite is a long insightful profile of Mr. Bush titled 'Without a Doubt' -- if one has the time for that sort of thing

Certainty is an easy product to sell. We'd really like to think that someone somewhere knows with certainty what to do and is sure about it all. Unfortunatley the appeal of that certainty is continually offset by complexities of hard reality.

I side of Jerry Garcia/Robert Hunter,
"Nothing's for certain,
it can always go wrong.
Come in when it's raining,
go on out when it's gone."

and yes it's certain that samples are a licensed product and generally not resellable in any form

[Mr.Scarbee]

Thomas, did you just have a spliff?

Yeah. I regret the post though. hate all this negative vibes.

I was NOT defending the roman empire - actually just the opposite. I hate all kinds of dictatorships and regimes but also dislike anarchy. Laws can be unfair but they are also a way to "remember" moral and keep us away from chaos and moral decline.

About slaves? Well we don't have slaves as in old roman empires, but I guess there are many million poor people in the world that function a bit like slaves or how?

Anyway i'm out of this thread. Too negative vibes here.

[pitchdrifter]

well you can say whatever you please but people are also free to reply, but you have to admit your end of the world post does sound a little... well.. over the top and theatralic

best!

Markus