Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

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e-crooner
KVRian
1073 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Post Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:02 pm

I think all plugins above 100 euros/dollars should be available in installments. For a lot of people 180 euros is a lot of money, especially outside rich countries.

e-crooner
KVRian
1073 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:48 pm

vurt wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:00 pm
e-crooner wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:13 am
I think all plugins above 100 euros/dollars should be available in installments. For a lot of people 180 euros is a lot of money, especially outside rich countries.
just buy the ones you can afford?
sadly in life, we all have a "budget", may seem unfair but that's life.
theres nothing more "essential" about the more expensive ones, you might have to work a little harder with the less pricey ones to get the same sort of sound, or close enough it doesn't really matter :shrug:

also plugins are a luxury item, theres no law that states everybody should have access to all.
I suppose there is not any law that states that things SHOULD be like this or that :hihi:

Anyway, installments also benefit the developer, all it takes is a little more patience. Receiving installments is better than not receiving anything.
It's also how people buy their homes.

Examigan
KVRAF
5071 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:02 pm

Diva on Sweetwater's website:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... th-plug-in
"As low as $30/month - See all payment options"

codec_spurt
KVRAF
4036 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:11 pm

RobGee wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:47 pm
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You're a funny guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_DwZfyXAXI

Winstontaneous wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:39 pm
codec_spurt wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:01 pm
I've been on KVR many years. I've bought a lot of software. I've given away a fair few bits of softs too, for free. Not really a bread-head.

Recently tried to sell my first piece of software - Repro. Oh and Nithonat as well iirc. Never mind about that.

What an education.
Honestly for someone who spends as much time here as you do, I'm surprised that you're surprised by the number of entitled cheapskate wankers on KVR! :hihi:

Well the thing is I never sold before. Only gave stuff away, or maybe did the odd little competition or two where I bought licenses for the winners (and even organised for people like WilliamK to give free copies of Wusik with one I remember offhand - thanks William! :hug:).

It's just a learning experience.

It's been frustrating for me with real life events, and to make it worse not having internet. So when someone says that they are going to buy something and I give them my details, I'm sweating because I'm wondering did they put the money in to my paypal? Boy will they be pissed off a week later and I've not responded at all. I've been five weeks without internet/phone (on/off - more off than on).

So I think that added to the stress.

I was just doing 'research' really because I have quite a bit of software I've accumulated that I might as well get rid of, especially now as I'm all softwared out and want to go back to hardware.

I just bought some software about 5 minutes ago, and I'm taking a flyer on it because the guy is new and didn't have any feedback. But the communication was good so I trusted. I'll leave some feedback for him when it goes through.

It's all about the communication. Even if it's late. I do understand that not everyone has a perfect internet connection and some people have Real Life problems like family to look after, or they might just go off on one and do whatever. A little 'sorry' goes a long way. But saying you are going to buy and then just ghosting is not just rude, it's downright inconvenient especially when you might be experiencing 'issues' yourself.

I also understand that different people communicate differently, but there was an added layer again to my understanding of human perceptual processes that I realised I had to reckon for. All good.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Alles Klar.

codec_spurt
KVRAF
4036 posts since 21 Sep, 2005

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:18 pm

Examigan wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:02 pm
Diva on Sweetwater's website:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... th-plug-in
"As low as $30/month - See all payment options"

Buy now, pay later


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvCQRq_mGoI



Used to love this band. Their production reminds me of The Silencers - another Scottish band of the period that I love.


Things have moved on I guess. We have kids hungry enough to want to own the software that they submit to schemes like that instead of using a crack. I suppose that's a good sign and a step in the right direction...

glokraw
KVRAF
7341 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:38 pm

e-crooner wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:02 pm
I think all plugins above 100 euros/dollars should be available in installments. For a lot of people 180 euros is a lot of money, especially outside rich countries.
Diva wasn't coded in installments. Arranging customer installments
will cost somebody real money. Who should that be, in your opinion?
The actual installments you need are called 'bank deposits'.
You save your money, work more hours, and pay in full
when you have enough saved.

If you would use a $180 plugin aggressively, as an everyday part
of your business, you might justify paying the interest on a credit purchase,
but if it's for hobbyist use, save up, work extra, do your part as
the coders have done theirs. :hyper:
Cheers

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Urs
u-he
24304 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:57 pm

We talked about this before. We can enable purchases in installments / rent-to-own as soon as we move our copy protection to challenge/response or online activation (source: Our shop platform). I'm thinking iLok maybe, that's probably the easiest way to drop the years of experience with serial numbers. We'd simply raise our prices by 30% to pay for the overhead licensing fees, insurances for missed payments and stuff.

Nope, don't think so.

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rezoneight
KVRist
148 posts since 18 Feb, 2004

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:23 am

Urs wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:57 pm
We talked about this before. We can enable purchases in installments / rent-to-own as soon as we move our copy protection to challenge/response or online activation (source: Our shop platform). I'm thinking iLok maybe, that's probably the easiest way to drop the years of experience with serial numbers. We'd simply raise our prices by 30% to pay for the overhead licensing fees, insurances for missed payments and stuff.

Nope, don't think so.
For the love of god no ;) Let other companies do the "installment plans" (as some already do). If someone is desperate to do installments use a credit card. Or just do it the old-fashioned way and save up.

glokraw
KVRAF
7341 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:19 am

Urs wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:57 pm
We talked about this before.... I'm thinking iLok maybe.... We'd simply raise our prices by 30%...

Nope, don't think so.
There, fixed those typos for ya'....no extra charge :wink:

e-crooner
KVRian
1073 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:12 am

Urs wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:57 pm
We talked about this before. We can enable purchases in installments / rent-to-own as soon as we move our copy protection to challenge/response or online activation (source: Our shop platform). I'm thinking iLok maybe, that's probably the easiest way to drop the years of experience with serial numbers. We'd simply raise our prices by 30% to pay for the overhead licensing fees, insurances for missed payments and stuff.

Nope, don't think so.
I think it would be enough to allow people to pay in three installments, this way you could issue two expiring and one final, permanent keys.

I am not sure about missing payments. It might make sense to ask LennarDigital how the addition of installments has impacted their sales.

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vurt
addled muppet weed
58784 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:15 am

e-crooner wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:12 am
Urs wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:57 pm
We talked about this before. We can enable purchases in installments / rent-to-own as soon as we move our copy protection to challenge/response or online activation (source: Our shop platform). I'm thinking iLok maybe, that's probably the easiest way to drop the years of experience with serial numbers. We'd simply raise our prices by 30% to pay for the overhead licensing fees, insurances for missed payments and stuff.

Nope, don't think so.
I think it would be enough to allow people to pay in three installments, this way you could issue two expiring and one final, permanent keys.

I am not sure about missing payments. It might make sense to ask LennarDigital how the addition of installments has impacted their sales.
would people be willing to pay in installments if they received the synth once fully paid up?

that way reducing the risk to devs and therefore not adding cost?

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Urs
u-he
24304 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:19 am

e-crooner wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:12 am
Urs wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:57 pm
We talked about this before. We can enable purchases in installments / rent-to-own as soon as we move our copy protection to challenge/response or online activation (source: Our shop platform). I'm thinking iLok maybe, that's probably the easiest way to drop the years of experience with serial numbers. We'd simply raise our prices by 30% to pay for the overhead licensing fees, insurances for missed payments and stuff.

Nope, don't think so.
I think it would be enough to allow people to pay in three installments, this way you could issue two expiring and one final, permanent keys.

I am not sure about missing payments. It might make sense to ask LennarDigital how the addition of installments has impacted their sales.
They went C/R. QED.

e-crooner
KVRian
1073 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:32 am

Urs wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:19 am
They went C/R. QED.
Well, I meant the sales as such, whether they have picked up since the switch...

Personally, I have no problem with C/R. Sylneth1 also checks for updates regularly, which also requires being online.

Stokely
KVRist
145 posts since 11 May, 2010

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:56 am

Urs wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:57 pm
We talked about this before. We can enable purchases in installments / rent-to-own as soon as we move our copy protection to challenge/response or online activation (source: Our shop platform). I'm thinking iLok maybe, that's probably the easiest way to drop the years of experience with serial numbers. We'd simply raise our prices by 30% to pay for the overhead licensing fees, insurances for missed payments and stuff.

Nope, don't think so.
Yeah, ugh. One reason I went with u-he's plugins, and Garritan's, and Scarbee's and a couple others: no I-Lok or similar scheme. All else being close to equal, that wins out for me when picking a plugin.
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zvenx
KVRAF
7375 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Re: Does u-he Diva ever go on sale?

Post Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:07 am

Can't believe it took me three sentences into Urs statement to realise he was being sarcastic :).
Lol.

But as others have said, that is what your bank etc is for. They are developers not financial institutions. Good for you for those developers who do..... but.... surely it isn't for everyone.
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