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plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:57 am

Thats the benefit of demos; if they dont work for you, you can save some money. Good thing you tried them out so thoroughly!

mixtur.se · Post by **mixtur.se** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:56 am

I can live with bouncing fir now, but it would be great to have all of the tapes in a single plugin for easy A/B testing of models.It takes a lot of time to choose the right model, tape and settings before bouncing.

AdvancedFollower · Post by **AdvancedFollower** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:18 am

uraniumwilly wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:38 am This is my take on the IKMM Tape Machines: 1) Ridiculous use of CPU even when nothing else is in a project. Just the plugin alone. 2) I don't hear anything different. Nothing. After I drop in a mixed down project to test it I go through each preset of each machine and I hear nothing different. Zero. The I read about how it has to take up so much CPU to do its job, but what is its job exactly? Doing nothing? I tested them but thank God I did that first. I will not being paying money for these.

They're meant to be very subtle. They're emulations of high-end tape machines and tapes meant for mastering, so even though they color the sound slightly, they were designed to be as transparent as possible using the technology at the time. You're not going to get the wobbly, broken sound of an old Walkman with crumbling tape. For that, something like RC-20 is a better choice.

telecode · Post by **telecode** » Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:24 pm

uraniumwilly wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:38 am This is my take on the IKMM Tape Machines: 1) Ridiculous use of CPU even when nothing else is in a project. Just the plugin alone. 2) I don't hear anything different. Nothing. After I drop in a mixed down project to test it I go through each preset of each machine and I hear nothing different. Zero. The I read about how it has to take up so much CPU to do its job, but what is its job exactly? Doing nothing? I tested them but thank God I did that first. I will not being paying money for these.

have you tried adding one of those tape VST on a vocal or bass or acoustic guitar track?

bill45 · Post by **bill45** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:43 pm

DarkStar wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:30 pm If you install T-RackS (and Custom Shop and Authorisation Manager) you should have access to all the T-RackS plug-in to try them out.

T-RackS User Manual: 1.3.4 - Trying Gear
You can also choose to try out a piece of gear (clicking the TRY button) to audition it in your existing rig before actually buying it. Every item in the Custom Shop has a 14 days unrestricted trial time. When an item is selected for trial, the time left for its evaluation is shown in the corresponding item menu.

Once the trial time has expired, the item will be locked – it will be grayed out. Once the trial time has expired the module will only be purchasable on the Custom Shop or IK online store.

NOTE: multiple instances of the same item will not affect the total time of the trial period. The counter starts with the first one. Modules can be tried within the T-RackS 5 suite as well as singles in third party DAWs.

There is no try button in custom shop.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:11 pm

there is though

electro · Post by **electro** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:39 am

uraniumwilly wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:38 am This is my take on the IKMM Tape Machines: 1) Ridiculous use of CPU even when nothing else is in a project. Just the plugin alone. 2) I don't hear anything different. Nothing. After I drop in a mixed down project to test it I go through each preset of each machine and I hear nothing different. Zero. The I read about how it has to take up so much CPU to do its job, but what is its job exactly? Doing nothing? I tested them but thank God I did that first. I will not being paying money for these.

Tape plugins are meant to be cumulative (placed as the first instance on each individual tracks). When you bypass them all and A/B compare with the dry version you will understand the thickening warming effect the tapes are creating.

MadDogE134 · Post by **MadDogE134** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:03 pm

? lol... would like to see you run say 100+ tracks. best to bus the tracks through one instance

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:05 pm

Or simply bounce the individual tracks with the fx inserted. It doesn't make sense to use this on a bus, imo.

electro · Post by **electro** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:28 pm

MadDogE134 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:03 pm ? lol... would like to see you run say 100+ tracks. best to bus the tracks through one instance

Summing tracks is not how tape machines worked. Each sourced was printed to tape, then sent into the desk for mixing.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:24 pm

electro wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:28 pm
MadDogE134 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:03 pm ? lol... would like to see you run say 100+ tracks. best to bus the tracks through one instance
Summing tracks is not how tape machines worked. Each sourced was printed to tape, then sent into the desk for mixing.

That's for multi-track decks. For mixing/mastering the stereo buss was recorded to a deck specific for the purpose. Usually 1/4" or sometimes 1/2" @30ips in the later days. So both uses are valid: use a multi-track tape emu for tracking and a stereo mastering tape emu for mix/master buss.

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:47 pm

MadDogE134 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:03 pm ? lol... would like to see you run say 100+ tracks.

I read stuff like that all the time but I don't think I personally ever had more than 25-30 tracks in a project (and that was with several brass tracks and real drums plus real percussion etc.) - and usually it's more around 10-15 for me. I'd like to see an example of a project with ~100 tracks. Adding more tracks doesn't make your music automatically sound better.

Sorry for the OT everyone...

telecode · Post by **telecode** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:12 pm

jens wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:47 pm
MadDogE134 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:03 pm ? lol... would like to see you run say 100+ tracks.
I read stuff like that all the time but I don't think I personally ever had more than 25-30 tracks in a project (and that was with several brass tracks and real drums plus real percussion etc.) - and usually it's more around 10-15 for me. I'd like to see an example of a project with ~100 tracks. Adding more tracks doesn't make your music automatically sound better.

Sorry for the OT everyone...

Depends on your workflow.

Chillstep EDM guys have 100s of tracks with little 10 to 30 secs parts per track.

jens · Post by **jens** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:38 am

There's exceptions to every rule. But when they talk about 100+ tracks, they always seem to say it's a normal track count - which it totally isn't.

And btw.: these exist as VST3, which means they should stop using CPU when they're not processing audio.

What's "Chillstep" anyway? Wait - I don't want to know.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:35 am

jens wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:47 pm
MadDogE134 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:03 pm ? lol... would like to see you run say 100+ tracks.
I read stuff like that all the time but I don't think I personally ever had more than 25-30 tracks in a project (and that was with several brass tracks and real drums plus real percussion etc.) - and usually it's more around 10-15 for me. I'd like to see an example of a project with ~100 tracks. Adding more tracks doesn't make your music automatically sound better.

Sorry for the OT everyone...

With 100 tracks, any stellar sound qualities of individual instruments
and performances stand a good chance of getting edged out.
I'd rather clearly hear 4 to 10 parts, well played and arranged
for the most important parts to come forward at the right time.
Composing scores might be an exception to smaller track counts,
but I've yet to buy a score on CD, or buy/rent a movie because someone said
the score was so awesome.
I might buy Rippingtons, Gipsy Kings, CCR, CSN&Y, the fundamentals
have low track counts, but sell well enough. Or a songwriter
playing an instrument, Leo Kottke, Imogen Heap etc
Cheers

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