the long death throes of automap

[chk071]

There isn't much too learn, it's pretty straight forward. It's just that it had bugs, and it worked by working with duplicates of your existing plugins, which is bad (for me).

[reggie1979]

I hated it frankly. All those dupes and bugs, good effort but I need things to work.

Seriously, other than Nektar, I really don't have good luck with controllers.

[Pluginbug]

This seriously ticks me off!!!
I’ve LOVED Automap. I haven’t updated my MacOS because of it.
The RemoteSL Zero is still my favorite controller (16 LCD spots & Automap’s ability to re-name devices’ parameters, so nice to look away from the DAW). I’ve spent hours mapping & renaming VST parameters.

I have a TON of Novation gear (4 launchpad minis, launchcontrol xl, remote sl zero, remote sl 25, X-Station, used to have DrumStationV2 & SuperbassStation) & this is gonna make me leave them.

I just bought a Circuit & now I’m definitely packing it up to return it tomorrow. I hate the new software it uses anyway.

[machinesworking]

This seriously ticks me off!!!
I’ve LOVED Automap. I haven’t updated my MacOS because of it.
The RemoteSL Zero is still my favorite controller (16 LCD spots & Automap’s ability to re-name devices’ parameters, so nice to look away from the DAW). I’ve spent hours mapping & renaming VST parameters.

I have a TON of Novation gear (4 launchpad minis, launchcontrol xl, remote sl zero, remote sl 25, X-Station, used to have DrumStationV2 & SuperbassStation) & this is gonna make me leave them.

I just bought a Circuit & now I’m definitely packing it up to return it tomorrow. I hate the new software it uses anyway.

They've been talking about Automap being basically end of road, on it's way to extinction for over 4 years now. I mean you can get mad at them, but it's no Kore, or Camel Audio situation.

[K-Bee]

I had a Nocturne. It was a nightmare using it

[chk071]

I really wonder how difficult it can be to provide a easy, well working system. Considering so many manufacturers tried and didn't manage, I assume it's quite difficult... or there's too much incompetence.

The best of the ones I tried is probably Komplete Kontrol, but, it has flaws and oddities as well...

[Echoes in the Attic]

Automap is by far the best we've ever gotten for control surfaces. But it was never good for AUs. Because of the way AUs work, if you ever deleted automap software, your DAW wouldn't find the plugins, it would only take the automap AUs. VSTs are interchangeable with the originals. When you add this to the fact that Apple tends to make changes that require software make changes to be compatible, I can see why they are abandoning it. However I'm sure it'll work forever on Windows and until something better comes along, I'll keep using it. At this point it's had to imagine something that allows you to set custom ranges for controls, shows menu values on the screen and all the other cool stuff it does. All the recent control surfaces have been a step backwards. Things like Komplete Kontrol which only have knobs for plugin control and those knobs sometimes have to control buttons. Plus they don't even show the proper range of the control (like they did in V1).

People complain about wrapping, but there is no other way unless it is DAW specific, which is a lot of work. Nektar did that for a while and then made nektarine. But what if Nektarine is no longer there? Obviousluy your project won't be able to load anything that was hosted in it. With automap and VSTs, if automap disappears, all the VSTs still work! Who cares if it's wrapped in that case.

Having my old SL61 mk1 which still works perfectly after about 11 years, plus a Zero SL mkII right above it, is an amazing system and nothing else comes even close.

[Tj Shredder]

With Midi 2.0 coming up there will arise better solutions. They might be working on that already...

[WasteLand]

With Midi 2.0 coming up there will arise better solutions. They might be working on that already...

it seems so, but it will be years.

untill then; automap will work on windows 10, untill 32 bits installers/programs can't run anymore. me thinks that can be a long time.

automap works independent from your daw, the components .dll for cubase for instance, aren't necessary. only if you want to use transport control. i have a MCU for that (and has a deep integration for cubase 10.5 pro, for example, channel strip, eq, all plugins.... even third party... and can be remapped).

you can use the components or .dll's for new versions of cubase. if you need transport control.

i love automap, i had contact with them about the latest beta, it had bugs, bugs which were already present for a long time, they were reproduced. i was told that still a new version will come, but that was the person i was talking to, great support by the way, for something that they didn't want anymore... if it is implemented? i will contact again.

i even asked if it could become open source... i know c, c++, but it is a long time ago, and, the trouble of making something that can work, means a lot of documentation, and a lot of deep delving, for me it is a project, that i only dream of. i downloaded visual studio. even the automap SDK, its purpose is for plugin developers, would take a lot of time to understand, or a lot. for someone who has to start all over again.

that aside. someone can do it. people are doing it for the push 2, for example, or the maschine mk3, but nothing that excites me. if you know eula, json (although they are main purpose), and c(++), and have documentation and experience. i think a programmer with talent can do better.

alright, stop this story.

automap will be functioning on windows 10 for at least several years.

but i do not like that they throw it away, it was good. perhaps the problems that people had; you have to dive into the midi connections of your DAW, or it will crash a lot. some ports must not be active (as with the spark CDM controller, the old one, which strangely i discovered after a while, because it is very hidden in the manual.....).

a petition; spamming novation/focusrite. (not real spamming, users that complain!)

i do not know if that works. there isn't much love for automap. in this thread i see for the first time, people who love automap, like i do.

i have sl 49 MKii and the zero sl mkii, which is great combo. for synths, a page open for the filter, and a page open for the oscilators, for instance. and the many knobs, encoders, etc.

hardware feel.

i have also a remote sl 49 compact, better build then my main keyboard, the sl 49 mkii... and sometimes me thinks, how the compact reacts, and per page in way 32 endless encoders... it is better...
but i have programmed to many maps, and i am used to the sl 49 mkii....

but the remote sl 49 compact still works (but don't touch the view button on it, or another button, i forget, blue screen! haha).

[chk071]

With Midi 2.0 coming up there will arise better solutions. They might be working on that already...

Novation? Hmm... I doubt it. The companies in the music equipment business are notoriously slow to adopt new tech. And, if it's like it has been stated, and MIDI 2 is still in development, then I doubt we see anything in the next years, especially from Novation.

Maybe Native Instruments, but, I think the others are pretty unlikely.

[Ploki]

People complain about wrapping, but there is no other way unless it is DAW specific, which is a lot of work. Nektar did that for a while and then made nektarine. But what if Nektarine is no longer there? Obviousluy your project won't be able to load anything that was hosted in it. With automap and VSTs, if automap disappears, all the VSTs still work! Who cares if it's wrapped in that case.

Nektar was interesting to me while they did that. Wrapping is shit, and i'm on Logic/AU and i only installed automap once and it flew right of my drive forever after.
it makes it impossible to collab on the most standard of plugins, and i rather have a template for i.e. u-he hive, and a template on the midi controller and make two clicks than have a wrapper and have to deal with that nonsense for two damn clicks.

or spend a day or two mapping it out myself.

How VSTs work sounds better, but how it worked in logic was unusable.

[WasteLand]

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Having my old SL61 mk1 which still works perfectly after about 11 years, plus a Zero SL mkII right above it, is an amazing system and nothing else comes even close.

i agree, i could adapt my last post. but what the hell, give automap some love, with some messages...

i have a sl49 mkii (one led strip, if you map it right, it isn't that problematic, but still, why did they remove the second one) and a zero sl mkii.
in tandem they are great.

i also use a panaroma p1, for somethings automap can't do, some plugins don't like it. it is minority.
and i use the panaroma p1 also in tandem with the novations, and the MCU, o control! control!

the panaroma p1 is in potential a better controller, but nektar is crippling it with nektarine....
for reason 10 for example, you see what i can do (if you want to change rate of a LFO, for example, but you want it synced, you must with automap map both "knobs", in panaroma p1, it changes the knob itself, that you use to control it. in reason 10...)

[Kongru]

Why you left Automap?

[WasteLand]

Why you left Automap?

ha! the KVR meme.....

[LeVzi]

God, Automap, I thought that mess was long since dead and buried. I've never had so many issues with one piece of equipment in my life, I bought a nocturn, and not once EVER did it work properly with Automap. Not a single plugin worked right with it, the default mappings were made by people with fingers on backwards, was a horrible experience.

But that was when it actually worked when I first purchased the nocturn. After 1 or 2 updates, automap lost ALL of its pre defined mappings for DAW's and plugins, and never worked again ever. Novation , as I learned, are the most useless company of all for support, as are now Focusrite, and I was so glad to just have nothing to do with them at all.

I would never purchase another novation product ever again on this experience alone. I gave my nocturn to my stepson and told him he needed Automap with it, last time I saw, it was in a corner of his room, gathering dust, i'm almost tempted to give it a proper burial. When I asked him why, "couldnt get automap to work" was the reply. LOL