Oh I've tried dem out. Plenty. I left for ze Cubase after 9 dropped and then I saw ze Bitwig and moved over there. I tried out 10 after getting used to ze Bitwig and yeahhh no.Kinh wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:01 amezpecially if you've only looked at them instead of tryin' dem outckam03 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:40 pmKinh wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:39 amI dont think not havin' one feature warrants leaving an entire daw. Ya gotsta looks at Z features it does have and how they're bwetter dan other dawsckam03 wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:18 amWho do I blame then for Ableton not having MPE? You? Jesus?Kinh wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:28 am If pweeple leave a daw like Ableton it's because they're lookin' for somethin' that cannot be found, somethin' that has a magic button dat does all Z work for you. Ya wastin' ya time. Do tha work ya-selves, spend time developin' ya skills. You dig? Dont blame the tools is wha-I'm sayin'.
In your opinion. I've looked at z features and they most definitely are not better than all other DAWs so looks like I made the right choice!
Why you left Ableton?
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- KVRian
- 671 posts since 11 May, 2014
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8413 posts since 4 Jul, 2012 from Alesia
I actually still own an Ableton live standard licence, but I should probably sell it. Honestly Bitwig has been doing more for me than Live does except it doesn't seem to handle drag ' n' drop very well.
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- KVRist
- 337 posts since 23 Apr, 2011 from Seattle WA
Ableton user since V1. Upgraded through to 9 Suite.
From v2-v7, Live added many cool features but was starting to become less stable.
V8 +, they started catering more to mainstream DAW features and really lost their "live" focus. The program also became very unstable on my machines, literally crashing for me upon pressing play sometimes with no plugs added. Very random crashes.
By 9, live was no longer fit for (me at least) doing live performance. the only way I was upgrading to 10 was if it was a complete rebuild, but that didn't happen.
I've since started using a combo of MPC Live/mpc software, and Acoustic Mixcraft (cheap, has some cool features, and stable).
From v2-v7, Live added many cool features but was starting to become less stable.
V8 +, they started catering more to mainstream DAW features and really lost their "live" focus. The program also became very unstable on my machines, literally crashing for me upon pressing play sometimes with no plugs added. Very random crashes.
By 9, live was no longer fit for (me at least) doing live performance. the only way I was upgrading to 10 was if it was a complete rebuild, but that didn't happen.
I've since started using a combo of MPC Live/mpc software, and Acoustic Mixcraft (cheap, has some cool features, and stable).
Check out my cloud! https://soundcloud.com/schmidi_0
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- KVRAF
- 2311 posts since 24 Jun, 2006 from London, England
Out of interest, is this more your vibe ?THE INTRANCER wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:23 am Because it's flat... that's not short for flattering btw...
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Spencer Maddox Spencer Maddox https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=406543 - KVRian
- 814 posts since 19 Oct, 2017 from The Empire State
I CANT EVEN WITH KVR TODAYmcbpete wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:06 pmOut of interest, is this more your vibe ?THE INTRANCER wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:23 am Because it's flat... that's not short for flattering btw...
The post above this is likely bait, viewer discretion is advised.
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- KVRAF
- 1525 posts since 23 Feb, 2017
The truth is that none of us can, the only reason we persevere is because Hink pays us.
Signatures are so early 2000s.
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- KVRAF
- 2855 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit SW US
That’s a good ‘reason’Winstontaneous wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:40 pm Hey CrystaWizard!
I left Ableton at about 11:30 last night because it was time to go to bed.
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- KVRian
- 1402 posts since 17 Oct, 2018
I skipped Ableton 10 because of Bitwig, but now I may just move back. I kind of wish Bitwig and Ableton was just one mega DAW. All the polish and ease of use of Ableton and all the cool gimmicky stuff from Bitwig rolled into one.
Studio One // Bitwig // Logic Pro // Ableton // Reason // FLStudio // MPC // Force // Maschine
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- Banned
- 93 posts since 18 Dec, 2019
I'm seriously actually still happy with Live. My own shortcomings affect my music far more than any DAW feature or lack of. All DAWs that I've tried would enable me to make music TBH.
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- KVRist
- 318 posts since 5 Jul, 2019
Different strokes/etc. - I like the flatness, easier to look at for longer.THE INTRANCER wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:23 am Because it's flat... that's not short for flattering btw...
Some 3D could be good, I guess, but skeumorphic design in the plugin world is especially terrible.
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- KVRAF
- 1524 posts since 6 Nov, 2012
This explains why ableton's flat is bad. At least Live 9's Glue Compressor went better way but 10 lost its taste.miloszz wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:07 amDifferent strokes/etc. - I like the flatness, easier to look at for longer.THE INTRANCER wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:23 am Because it's flat... that's not short for flattering btw...
Some 3D could be good, I guess, but skeumorphic design in the plugin world is especially terrible.
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- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
I'm curious - what you mean by that (as opposed to Bitwig, I understand)? I could see someone using that describing S1 against say Cubase, but I really don't see Live any easier to use and definitely not more polished than Bitwig. So maybe my understanding of the word(s) is wrong, being Polish and all
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- KVRist
- 318 posts since 5 Jul, 2019
I mean... not really. It explains why this person thinks flat is worse. The examples he uses of old iOS designs are uniformly awful and cheesy. Shadows and skeumorphism and so on may have had a role in GUI design once upon a time but we now all have decades of experience working with flat screens.
His rule 2 is quite applicable to Ableton - not too many colors (vs. most other DAWS) unless you specify them for a track.
Rule 3, as well, Ableton has more 'room to breathe' than most DAWs.
Rule 4, not applicable.
Rule 5, Ableton does a good job with their info boxes not being overlaid on the screen.
Rule 6, I dunno, it's a basic sans serif font I believe.
Rule 7, not applicable.
But hey, like I said, different strokes. Ableton and Bitwig have the best GUIs of all the DAWs I've tried. Relatively clean and uncluttered, I prefer the lightness of Ableton to the darkness of Bitwig but they're both fine.