Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[zvenx]

Curious. Are u a keyboardist or u play some keyboards? At 64 I rarely have to quantize. At 256 I would have to quantize.
Rsp

[Elektronisch]

Curious. Are u a keyboardist or u play some keyboards? At 64 I rarely have to quantize. At 256 I would have to quantize.
Rsp

Im not a keyboardist but i do play keyboard when writing melodies sketches, i dont find any problem to quantize few mil seconds, also when you dont need your super accurate keyboard punches you can change buffer size.

[HTT]

I am new to Avenger. Maybe that is why I don’t have much of an issue with the license protection. I only get cpu issues with demanding patches such as granular or VA patches with long tails when I am playing moderately complex passages. That is with a Sandy Bridge i7. It seems Avenger is more cpu-hungry in Live than Logic, but just by a few percent.

[noiseboyuk]

I am new to Avenger. Maybe that is why I don’t have much of an issue with the license protection. I only get cpu issues with demanding patches such as granular or VA patches with long tails when I am playing moderately complex passages. That is with a Sandy Bridge i7. It seems Avenger is more cpu-hungry in Live than Logic, but just by a few percent.

IMO - and yes this is pure guesswork on my part - but new customer or not, this experience actually speaks for around 95% of Avenger users.

[zvenx]

Curious. Are u a keyboardist or u play some keyboards? At 64 I rarely have to quantize. At 256 I would have to quantize.
Rsp

Im not a keyboardist but i do play keyboard when writing melodies sketches, i dont find any problem to quantize few mil seconds, also when you dont need your super accurate keyboard punches you can change buffer size.

Ahh.
And @noiseboyuk. Are you a keyboardist?
rsp

[noiseboyuk]

zvenx - I'm pretty rubbish its true - failed Grade 5 piano. I have to quantise at any buffer setting....

Working at 48k 256 on my Babyface, Cubase reports an input latency of circa 6ms. Working in 4/4 at 120bpm, those figures mean I'll be playing 1/40th of a beat out. I just did a test out of curiosity hitting a note in time with a click. In practice with my terrible playing even just single notes I tend to hit notes between 1/40th and 1/20th early - clearly I'm going to get stuff-all benefit working lower than 256.

So maybe super-precise players would notice more than I. But I remember a discussion over at VI Control where pianists infinitely better than I reported much the same thing, that below 256 they found little difference in practice.

[jbraner]

Cubase reports an input latency of circa 6ms

Surely you have to take the output buffer in to account too - since you'll be hearing what you played "late". I think that's what throws players off.

I'm a guitarist and play through amp sims - so I definitely feel it when I hear the note "late" after I played it. I can go up to 10ms RTL, but after that it's definitely annoying.

6ms sounds *very* optimistic - even for just input latency @ 256 sample buffer size. I know RME drivers are good but...

[HTT]

I am new to Avenger. Maybe that is why I don’t have much of an issue with the license protection. I only get cpu issues with demanding patches such as granular or VA patches with long tails when I am playing moderately complex passages. That is with a Sandy Bridge i7. It seems Avenger is more cpu-hungry in Live than Logic, but just by a few percent.

IMO - and yes this is pure guesswork on my part - but new customer or not, this experience actually speaks for around 95% of Avenger users.

Thanks for your perspective. Yeah, when I read all the complaints about this, that, and the other thing about Avenger and my experience being quite different from the complainers I wondered what was up.

I also understand angry customers as I have been vocally critical of products in the past.

[noiseboyuk]

Surely you have to take the output buffer in to account too - since you'll be hearing what you played "late". I think that's what throws players off.

Ah yes, that's probably true. Either way I can't notice it below 256. Even playing guitar seems ok to me - definitely notice 512 though.

[zvenx]

Interesting convo..... I guess bottom line we are all different.
I will look for that convo on vi-control. I am no Herbie Hancock, but I definitely can feel the difference between 64, 128 and 256.

Even recording some of the vocalist that I use often, they notice 256 with my lynx 2 c drivers on my pc.


Although a big part is it depends on your drivers. Not every 64/128/256 is equivalent to another system and another audio card.
Thanks
rsp

[dune_rave]

I also have avenger for long time, and have no problems. of course it depends how u use it. i try to use it as a synth, mainly for edm stuff. if i want to play piano , i would rather load something similar to kontakt.

[wanne]

need help here installing it..

i did a brandnew win10 setup with reaper yesterday...when i install the V1.5.5 it dosnt show up in reaper... i tried different folders where i have other vsts but no luck..

strange thing is when i install the demo version it works...but then i cant install the soundpack..
its says possible corrupt file..dl again..wtf..

thx

[msvs]

[klovne]

Using the drums part with midi being triggered from daw (instead of the inbuilt drum sequencer) and each drum sound being routed into a separate audio track via multi out is completely unusable and broken.

Tested it in 3 different daws (ableton, bitwig, studio one) and the results are same - clicks and pops and some kind of feedback? as if two different midi notes being triggered are also triggering each other

Such a bummer...

nvm still exists

[djmce]

Using the drums part with midi being triggered from daw (instead of the inbuilt drum sequencer) and each drum sound being routed into a separate audio track via multi out is completely unusable and broken.

Tested it in 3 different daws (ableton, bitwig, studio one) and the results are same - clicks and pops and some kind of feedback? as if two different midi notes being triggered are also triggering each other

Such a bummer...

nvm still exists

I can confirm this with Cubase. I hope it will be fixed soon...