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xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:44 pm

^^^ and disco theme of ableton live was copied or was heavily inspired from Bitwig originally, https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=192074

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:55 pm

V0RT3X wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:42 pm They both have clip launcher, sure... But the way the modulation system is integrated into Bitwig makes it more like Live with a rock solid functional max for live.

Then there are all the little work flow things that make a big difference ...

yepp, Bitwig doesn't lock parameters after macro assigning

like AL does it, can be assigned any number of macro to a target and the target param also can be modified too, macro controlling in BWS relative(modulation based) not absolute one as is in AL

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:05 pm

xbitz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:44 pm ^^^ and disco theme of ableton live was copied or was heavily inspired from Bitwig originally, https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=192074

dude's really here posting 7 year old forum links to make some kind of mic-drop argument about colour schemes ... as if I didn't realise the pic I posted isn't the default Ableton Live theme. as if i didn't match the themes to make a point. as if the damn theme even matters.

*wooooOOOOOOOssssh*

a simple way to find out if you are dealing with a fanatic, or a pragmatic user of software ... is if they deny the obvious derivative relationship between Bitwig Studio and Ableton Live. anyone who would deny this, or act all coy and incredulous about it, isn't worth taking seriously. splitting hairs about sub-routines isn't much better.

these fanatics, they have an emotional relationship with software, with brands, corporations, logos. don't take them seriously, spend your time in better ways.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:15 pm

^^^ cmon I don't care about it just able to remember that disco has been born after Bitwig, mentioned just as a fun fact

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:19 pm

Daags wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:05 pm a simple way to find out if you are dealing with a fanatic, or a pragmatic user of software ... is if they deny the obvious derivative relationship between Bitwig Studio and Ableton Live. anyone who would deny this, or act all coy and incredulous about it, isn't worth taking seriously. splitting hairs about sub-routines isn't much better.

Is anyone denying the layout similarities of Bitwig to Ableton live? Who would? The Bitwig guys used to work at Ableton. Left to do their own thing which obviously started with a similar layout. But Presonus developers also split off from Cubase and there are design similarities there as well. Who cares. The point is the functionality and Bitwig blows Live out of the water.

oonabe · Post by **oonabe** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:24 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:19 pm The point is the functionality and Bitwig blows Live out of the water.

https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-bes ... pc-and-mac

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:28 pm

^^^ in the Bitwig section "Ableton Live still casts a shadow..."

anyway the biggest advantages of BWS really the totally flexible modulation subsystem, where AL is rigid BWS is flexbile

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:30 pm

xbitz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:55 pm
V0RT3X wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:42 pm They both have clip launcher, sure... But the way the modulation system is integrated into Bitwig makes it more like Live with a rock solid functional max for live.

Then there are all the little work flow things that make a big difference ...
yepp, Bitwig doesn't lock parameters after macro assigning

like AL does it, can be assigned any number of macro to a target and the target param also can be modified too, macro controlling in BWS relative(modulation based) not absolute one as is in AL

Bitwig CAN do this, it's just not the same as Live. Here I can show you how you can control MULTIPLE knobs using just one macro within Bitwig.

First you need to use the "chain" device, add your effects chain, select the knobs you want to use by creating a "preset" page and then click all the knobs or controls you want controlled.

Then after, open the modulation page, add a "Macro" knob and then click on the controls you want to control using that ONE knob. It's easy!

Bitwig_macro.png

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:35 pm

otherwise AL and BWS are quite close to each other if u check https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html BWS is better in routing, modularity, modulation AL is better in MIDI and audio handling

flechtwerk · Post by **flechtwerk** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:37 pm

The only reason I tried out Bitwig was because I needed MPE-support, but then the modulation system got me hooked. Now it's my main DAW, with Reaper for mixing duties.

The only thing I deeply miss is Ableton's Groove Pool. (And a decent piano roll, though Ableton's isn't perfect either.)

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:41 pm

( ^^^ sometimes Geist can help here, it can import the grooves of AL - https://www.fxpansion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7575651 - and has MIDI out too )

flechtwerk · Post by **flechtwerk** » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:31 pm

(ah, thanks! I don't have Geist, but I shall give that a try with the demo version.)

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:52 am

Prototype version(2013)

Release version(2019)

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:52 am

I never left Ableton Live... because I never really got to it.

I bought Live 6 at discount due to Live Lite coming with some Korg gear I bought. I wasn’t sure what to do with it, though. It was an impulse buy, due to SSNRI drug madness.

The hype, and the upgrade price lure from a “free” bundled product, got them exactly what they wanted.

And then I also upgraded to Live 7, thinking I should keep current while trying to figure it out (another impulse buy; completely idiotic).

I still wasn’t getting it.

They kept pushing out new major releases too, seemingly every 8 months, and I felt pushed around at that point (especially since they were slowly adding things missing from Live that were standard in other DAWs at the time).

I gave up on it.

Then, coincidentally, Live 9 was a version that stuck around for YEARS. I don’t know if it was a great deal for the users who bought into it, or if it was just stagnation, but I’d given up on the thing and moved on before then. I did notice how long that version stuck around, though..

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:05 am

Dombaeb wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:42 am You got my point anyway ) I just wanted to mention that we have brilliant, super technological handy instruments. But most of the time people just comparing instead of accepting DAW limitations and make music. Sounds like nagging but other words, people try to collect "the best" hiking equipment without even going to the forest ) Personally, my best hiking trips were when I went with a torn tent

Sure, I've just never been one for rules, or preachiness ( I hope anyway ).
It's impossible not to enter a thread on DAW comparison 101, and say what you said without coming across like you're imparting wisdom, without knowing why or if, it's important that someone would look around at other DAWs.

I started off using Reason Rewired into Digital Performer, and ended up using Live and Logic for years. My jumping around to different DAWs doesn't seem to affect my ability to write. Reason had a full set of instruments, which DP did not, Live has the Clips or Session view way of writing which Logic does not.
I'm one of those weirdos that gets inspired by learning new things, so a lot of rules people have with songwriting etc. don't apply to me.

Compared to a single hardware synth DAWs are cheap. I get the concept that it's not the software, it's the hardware between the chair and the computer etc. etc. but sometimes a UX experience just sucks, editing MIDI in Live for instance, don't like it, never have, probably never will. Great DAW, but if I have to drag a subwindow to full height for the 6th time in 15 minutes to edit something because Ableton don't care about these things, personally pretty much every other DAW has a key command for that, and I'm going to use the DAW that does the things I want it to do.

Why you left Ableton?