Why you left FL Studio?

[chk071]

People need their heros. What's more heroic than a deaf composer composing world known symphonies. Especially when "it's the artist who does the whole magic".

I really think pepople are overestimating themselves. Someone with great skills might be able to get the most out of everything, but, frankly, when you look at the guys with the great skills, they exclusively use some great tools as well. And, no, the great tools won't automagically make them sound great, but, everyone with a certain sense of quality and a demand won't make his awesome music on the biggest shit tool. That would be really stupid.

[vurt]

To make another example lets talk about Ludwig van Beethoven. Do you thing he make great composition only because he used expensive instruments? He was deaf when he wrote his greatest stuff. His tool was only his brain. He created it and not tools that he used.

Whilst I do absolutely agree with your points made, thought I'd post this..heard the story on the radio a few days back;

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/ ... sicologist

also,no one is going to pay to see even the greatest pianist play ludwig van, on a tiny shitty kids plastic fisher price piano.

so the analogy falls apart quite quickly.
people arent writing scores to be played by great musicians on great instruments in awesome spaces.
so of course the sound quality matters.

[chk071]

It´s that easy as TrojakEW wrote... it´s never about the tools it´s always about the user... a big period

May I ask why you bought your audio payware, and why you didn't choose to not pay for anything? Because, it pretty much doesn't make sense to argue that it's all about the user, and at the same time spend a lot of money on tools which are redundant, when it's all about the user.

[vurt]

also :beethoven not deaf!: is news? wtf, have they not seen whats going on out there?

[vurt]

anyway, old luddy van b! used cubase till recently getting in to bitwig. because being deaf he thought it sounded a bit like ludwig

[nix808]

just calm down everyone
tone is in the earwig

[anomandaris1]

Honestly, I am still surprised how FL develops; based on its popularity and commercial model (they don't charge for updates), and user base (mostly EDM and hip-hop producers): they could have gotten into mostly developing and selling presets, loops, sample libraries for their own sampler and projects/templates. Instead, it looks like IL wants to develop it into more "pro." app. for working with midi and audio (all the kids see FL used by their favourite dj and go buy it at some point, but will their favourite dj still use FL, if he outgrows the FL workflow and wants to record audio etc?). (Additional complexity can alienate the future customers at some point.)

[nix808]

I think a hella lotta work is going into FL,
after all they have nearly written it for Mac too now

I like the vector UI and Patcher,
I just use it to load up a rack of synths for MIDI guitar

It can read my MIDI output, which can't be said for Orion, Samplitude and Project5,
but that may be my compilation in Flowstone

[vurt]

just calm down everyone
tone is in the earwig

groove is in a fart...

[Kongru]

tone is in the earwig

Did you say Bitwig?

Staying on topic, I actually really like FL Studio. It should be acknowledged that the included plugins are excellent for the most part and I think it has the most ergonically optimised midi input of any DAW. From memory Image Line used to be one of the more progressive and forward thinking devs back in the day, a bit like Propellerhead. The main reason I don't use it is because the way you record audio is trash. Also the GUI can get tiresome after so many hours in it, as you can't really change the colour scheme.

[nix808]

groove is in a fart...

I could jive better if I had a pussy then heh

[vurt]

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[burnt circuit]

Please give us a list of working professional mixing and mastering engineers, that are strictly mixing/mastering engineers, and only use FL Studio to exclusively mix and master audio.

I hope you can follow this logic.

You are of course right here...

FLS is for sure not the first choice for mix and mastering engineers...

But what shall this tell us??

There are for sure very little to none strictly mix and mastering engineers using Reason, Ableton or Bitwig...

And btw... what do you think how many people using any DAW on this planet are mix and mastering engineers??? 1%... or maybe 2%...

The vast majority as in nowadays the part of music being created in the "old fashioned" way is very very little the most people are do-it-yourself producers who having far different needs for a DAW than a pure mix and mastering engineer...

Therefore any argument if any DAW doesn´t fullfil any linear DAW feature it wouldn´t be "Pro" enough is nonsense...

Nowadays all DAWs are much more "Pro" than any DAW was in let say end of nineties or early 2000s and there was no alternative...
Every DAW on this planet let´s you create very professional music with ease and that is all that matters...

FL Studio's workflow isn't designed from the ground up to work with audio, it was built for midi and adapted to audio.

Reminds me a lot of Reason and Record, that the now defunct Propellerhead implemented, much more effectively towards the common linear timeline workflow though.

It's only logical for someone who makes a living engineering audio, to use something designed for it.

[TrojakEW]

so the analogy falls apart quite quickly.
people arent writing scores to be played by great musicians on great instruments in awesome spaces.
so of course the sound quality matters.

There is some misunderstanding there. I'm not talking about sound quality. I'm saying that you need your great musician in order to hear great sounds from those great tools. If you are not able to handle it then it doesn't matter if it is worst or the best on the world. Result will be the same - junk. So in the end you will have Pro or Amateur junk based on price of tool you use.

[burnt circuit]

Honestly, I am still surprised how FL develops; based on its popularity and commercial model (they don't charge for updates), and user base (mostly EDM and hip-hop producers): they could have gotten into mostly developing and selling presets, loops, sample libraries for their own sampler and projects/templates. Instead, it looks like IL wants to develop it into more "pro." app. for working with midi and audio (all the kids see FL used by their favourite dj and go buy it at some point, but will their favourite dj still use FL, if he outgrows the FL workflow and wants to record audio etc?). (Additional complexity can alienate the future customers at some point.)

It's in a niche position really, and it's always trying to prove that it belongs in the mainstream with the rest of the linear DAWs. When it started as a midi sequencer and evolved into a midi host that later added audio features.

Probably why so many people walk around with a chip on their shoulder when protecting FL Studio's workflow with a cult like attitude.