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hi there. im very happy right now with orion as my sequencing software, but im really looking for something to help me match up video and music. i've sort of looked around but haven't seen anything jump out at me.

i used to be a cubase user back in the day. i dropped it mostly because i didnt enjoy the interface. but one thing i recall is that you could identify timecodes in your footage, set up a point at that corresponding timecode in the music, and then tweak cubase and adjust the music and everything so it would slow down/speed up or whatever was needed so certain musical articulations occurred just at that moment you desired.

now even though im not going to change progs just for that one feature, i was looking at the current version (sx 2 i think) and it didnt seem to mention this feature. at all. which bugs me, because that is an important feature for scoring videos.

but anyway, you get the idea now for the sort of feature i need (doesnt have to work just like the old cubase feature). the higher-end the better, im not really restricted by money (if it's a billion dollar app though then forget it :) ), and i guess it would help if there were some other arranging features.

what i found when i looked around is lots of loop-based stuff. i dunno. i dont really use loops, my work is very dynamic and anyway typical movie music isnt loop based either, it just flows as the scene flows. but i guess if i can just jump my giant finished wav into the program and work at it in certain sections then i guess it doesnt matter if loops are there too. just another option if i ever go that way i guess.

i didnt see anything immediately useful, is all. im hoping there are some progs somewhere that may not have any sequencing abilities but can help me arrange my music and make it match up to certain points on-screen. beyond that, i have an audio editor and a sequencer already. but i guess it never hurts to have access to another tool... so plz, id like any suggestions for my little dilemma.

thx a lot - tom dini

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good question...

didn't Avid just aquire one of the major sequencer packages?
and I thought Adob was going to integrate Audition & Premire that way but Im not sure it happened.
Vegas was at one time loop based (ala Acid technology) but someone mentioned to me that they updated their timecode system but I've yet to confirm it.

I'm not doing much video these days so I'm not really sure what the latest is.

best... Scott

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Vegas Video might be worth a look-in.
This is basically the high-end multi-track video and audio software for whoever owns ACID these days. Is it SONY? I forget.

Adobe Audition might also be worth looking at and is a Rewire host so you may still be able to use Orion as a Rewire client with it.

I don't particularly understand the feature you're looking for - but both of the above products do have some integration with video which may or may not hit the nail on the head for you.

Interested to know what your final solution is as I dream one day of composing for television and movies. Will you post here when you come to a conclusion?

Caleb
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At least Premiere 6 SUCKED for scoring music to the video. Can't say for Premiere Pro. I went back to using Logic 4 at the time to do my work. Now I've used Cubase SX 1 on several video projects though. Works like a treat. SX 2 is better with its hitpoints, but I haven't used it in that capacity yet, so I can't comment much, but it's there, and it works great. I found my workflow to be a LOT quicker with SX.

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:shock: Vegas be the app for audio/video.
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yeah, i'll let you guys know what i end up doing! it looked like the hitpoint stuff was no longer present in cubase sx these days... guess i was wrong, though! maybe ill drift back into that app... the hitpoint matching is exactly what i need for matching up the picture and the music, i mean, that's what it's there to do. but ill investigate some of the other ideas thrown out here.

i already am a vegas user, and it definitely does not do what i need it to do regarding music. for film purposes, it is a superb editor, arranger, and mixer as far as dialogue and other fx goes (i like it way better than pro tools, anyway... which may be the industry standard but is altogether lousy). so it is excellent for all other aspects of audio and video. but it has nothing for keeping music in synch with certain visual cues. i think there might be external processing plug-ins that could do this... maybe. but what a hassle. i'd rather just have an app that does it natively.

like i said, ill give cubase sx another look and check out the hitpoint matching goodness. i knew it didnt make sense for them to get rid of it!

thx for your responses - tom

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Soundforge and Acid both work quite neatly.
The guy who edits the movie trailers at the company I work for tends to use Avid, and occasionally Audition.

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Nuendo 2.x

It's what the first incarnations were made for.
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To me it sounds ike you are looking for a sequencer that can sync to picture. The 2 best progs around for that is Cubase and Sonar. You say you did not like Cubase, so why don't you try Sonar?

Soundforge and Vegas are great if you are working audio only and if you want to do video editing as well, Cubase and Sonar willnot be the answer.

I use Sonar 4 (S3PE until recently). I don't do video editing, but import the final video into Sonar, insert place markers sync'd to SMPTE timing for the cue points where specific things must happen and then it becomes very easy to compose and program inside Sonar.

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Chickenman wrote:Nuendo 2.x

It's what the first incarnations were made for.
Unless you need the hardware sync options, much cheaper just to stick with SX 2 or now SX 3 instead.

Devon
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Sepheritoh wrote: I use Sonar 4 (S3PE until recently). I don't do video editing, but import the final video into Sonar, insert place markers sync'd to SMPTE timing for the cue points where specific things must happen and then it becomes very easy to compose and program inside Sonar.
Ah - that sounds a bit more like what he was asking for.

Caleb
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