Odd pondering.. What do YOU call this "Thing" with s Fuzzy Name?

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herodotus wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:19 pm This distinction may seem overly subtle. But it is very real. Consider the fact that drum parts (arrangements) in pop songs are usually not protected by copyright, but a particular recording of a particular performance of that drum part would very much be protected by copyright.
There are several distinctions that are quite subtle but very real.

And these fuzzy words affect our communication and the mutual abstract visualization of the object we are working on.

Maybe it doesn't matter too much. But having a clear target for collaborative work seems handy to me.

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I call it "unfinished mess" :( :help:
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Jim Rosebrook wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:06 pm
herodotus wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:19 pm This distinction may seem overly subtle. But it is very real. Consider the fact that drum parts (arrangements) in pop songs are usually not protected by copyright, but a particular recording of a particular performance of that drum part would very much be protected by copyright.
There are several distinctions that are quite subtle but very real.

And these fuzzy words affect our communication and the mutual abstract visualization of the object we are working on.

Maybe it doesn't matter too much. But having a clear target for collaborative work seems handy to me.
the project?
open the project
ok projects open
lets make magick!
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Jim Rosebrook wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:30 pm Arrangement is still a bit broad.. If a song's Arrangement when illustrated on staff paper is called a Music Score.. a song's Arrangement when illustrated on a DAW grid is called a ????
Arrangement View or Arrangement Area. A music score is a visual representation of music. "Music score" means you could be viewing a finished score, or working on said score—the stack of paper being the area you are working on/in.

In any case, "Arrangement" is fine to me. Terms can have more than one meaning in different contexts. If someone says "arrangement" you may have to ask if they're talking about the arrangement of the work itself or the arrangement area in a DAW so I understand the concern. In practice I don't think it is a problem though.

If those terms aren't as cool as "music score" then think of how stupid the etymology of "music score" is to begin with. I can't pin it down definitively but I'm reading it comes from the scoring lines in the notation. We've abstracted the term "score" from that and given it a meaning that's distinct from its mundane origin.

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I call it tldr
This is the same method MJ used when he was working on Anthony Marinelli's Thriller.

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i call it "aloysius".
some nights i stare at aloysius for hours in end.
his vacant, empty spaces longing to be filled.
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I call the blocks of composed midi/audio 'tracks', the vertical position of which they sit 'channels', and whole map of where the tracks sit on each channel the 'arrangement'

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"the visual representation in digital pixels of my audio composition, including midi score lanes where applicable and audio tracks again, where applicable"

or vince for short :shrug:
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I dont spend anytime thinking about what to call areas of the daw, i'm too busy just using it to make crap music to amuse myself with.
Seems to work out ok that way.
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Kypresso wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:33 pm I dont spend anytime thinking about what to call areas of the daw, i'm too busy just using it to make crap music to amuse myself with.
Seems to work out ok that way.
This Thing is not an area of a DAW.... it is the object that is created within it.

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When I create a project I give it a name. And that's what it's called. Id est, the project name.

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Googly Smythe wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:41 pm When I create a project I give it a name. And that's what it's called. Id est, the project name.
Giving it a name is somewhat helpful in objectifying this Thing.... but...

An analogy that might help drill down to what I'm pondering is the relationship between a cake and its recipe.

This Thing is to a Song... as a Recipe is to a Cake.

It is a set of instructions to bring specific ingredients together in specific ratios and to blend and bake them in a specific way.

And a recipe is not the cake itself.

However in the analogy to a Song.... this IS a very specific recipe for a very specific cake.
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The Thing
This is the same method MJ used when he was working on Anthony Marinelli's Thriller.

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eh.. qué

it's de ting
geezzz

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So imagine a day in the near future when it is the norm to see Audio Regions routinely depicted as "blobs" ala Melodyne. Then the parallel between this Thing and a Music Score will be even more blatant.

And I'm not talking about notation.

And talking about the Thing becoming even more useful in its immediacy in crafting an arrangement.

So calling it the Arrangement is maybe the place to land.. even though that is still a bit broad.
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