The 'state' of trance music today

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Bob Slydell
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68 posts since 28 Sep, 2019

Post Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:27 pm

Vortifex wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:35 am
I used to love trance but for some reason the vast majority of trance from the last 10-15 years or so just doesn't do it for me. It's got the big saws and euphoric sound but it doesn't get me buzzing.

IMO the best trance record ever made is the 2000 remake of Strange World by Push, I've not heard a single trance record since that equals it for sheer euphoric energy and intensity. When the breakdown ends at 3:41 it sent dancefloors absolutely potty. Perhaps I've not looked hard enough but I don't think anyone's making trance like that anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Hh2G_Ygh8
That track was my number 1 for a long long time....
There is plenty around these days you just need to know where to look amongst alot of mediocre tracks....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj8OdZZoNcA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO77EGEaxo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzyRCtfGoKc

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4damind
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5006 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm

Psytrance, Melodic Trance, Progressive Trance, Goa Trance ...?
I already like to listen to trance, but sometimes I change the genre. In the past I liked the Israeli Psytrance or "Full On" in the style of Astrix very much. But since all things really sound the same they just get boring at some point.
The people who used to be good like Astral Projection stopped releasing new music many years ago.

There are still a few more in progressive trance/melodic trance like Steve Helstrip (Thrillseekers) that I still like. But otherwise? The big names like Armin van Buuren... horrible! Sounds like produced in 10 minutes and I can understand that many people don't like it anymore.

Passing Bye
KVRian
1201 posts since 5 Nov, 2014

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:52 pm

Butwug wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:47 am
A lot of those CD’s are breaks, progressive, trance, etc... but to me theyll always be “trance” because thats what 11year old me knew it as. If it spaced me out, it was trance, of different flavors. Think that might be part of the “problem” now; everything is put into a strict category. If it doesnt have this. It isnt trance. If it doesnt sound like that, it isnt Micro-Minimal-LoFi house or some dumb shit.
Absolutely agree, than to make things worse, some of those strict defined trance sub genres started getting influences outside trance umbrella or got EDM-ized, which is sad state of it today.

Really hope more and more people will come back to it for the sake of it and not trying to fit in some particular strict thing, but making something anyone who ever loved trance can enjoy, like this is what trance is for me.

I'm kinda into doing that right now, caught myself making versions of all my personal chill tracks for "floor" and vice versa, than just went with tempo changes instead and eureka, let all my influences coexist in same tracks, eliminated everything I hated about particular sub genres and went with everything I loved about them, hope time will allow me to get through with it.

recursive one
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4598 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:34 am

4damind wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm
In the past I liked the Israeli Psytrance or "Full On" in the style of Astrix very much. But since all things really sound the same they just get boring at some point.
I liked Astrix when he was making downright cheesy stuff in the 00's, like these tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-39XxSQfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVNCe86-e8A
20 секунд, полёт нормальный :)

Not really pscychedelic but there was some genuine fun in there. There were also Andanda Shake, System Nipel and others making similar stuff, probably more appealing to regular trance than psytrance fans. It was my gateway from trance to psy

Astrix' recent stuff doesn't appeal to me much for whatever reason. It's properly psychedelic, has all the genre-defining elements, is very well produced but for some reason I don't really enjoy it. Same with Outsiders, Tristan and the like. May listen to a track or two but it quickly bores me.

I'm more into progressive psy, there are more melodic elements to be found here and overall it has some of the qualities I used to love in regular trance. Some progressive psy tracks i think may be actually interetsing to regular trance fans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCp7GP3JXuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70qHnx0uQUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCtwSh7 ... ex=18&t=0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk4naH9DhY8
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Faiky
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264 posts since 23 Jun, 2012

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:55 am

The music, the sound, the frequency responses, the mixing changes with time in general.
Also the tools change, as you can see here on KVR and the computer takes over more and more, this has an influence on the music.
The kids, who have so much energy, want bass, contrasts and energy. And above all, they mostly don't want old music.
The trend goes towards less reverb, noisy soft hihats, crisp kicks, distorted bass.
And there is something to note here. Our tastes and values are not very flexible. But there's something for everyone if you're looking, it's great!

perfumer
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663 posts since 4 Oct, 2018

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:10 am

4damind wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:27 pm
Psytrance, Melodic Trance, Progressive Trance, Goa Trance ...?
This thread is for mainstream trance, AKA 'tarnce' - just check the first posts. Not the psy varieties. But there's nothing new there either. Just the production gets better because the tools get better. What's left to look for is compositional talent - a well-composed track that follows the known cliches. And those are not that many.

Was listening to the first Chi A.D. albums yesterday - heavily compressed and somewhat limited to bring the background to front and turn the kick and bass down - got properly stunned by his/her skills. Not all tracks but most. Wow! :phones:

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DJ Warmonger
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3677 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:32 am

The kids, who have so much energy, want bass, contrasts and energy.
Loudness war is still a thing in trance. Especially since the EDM got so much popularity in USA.

Suprisingly it's more difficult to craft hard banging track than just create a beautiful synth melody for trance. So melodic tunes are lost in mediocrity and the most powerful tech bangers stand out.
http://djwarmonger.wordpress.com/
Tricky-Loops wrote: (...)someone like Armin van Buuren who claims to make a track in half an hour and all his songs sound somewhat boring(...)

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Faiky
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264 posts since 23 Jun, 2012

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:59 am

I actually agree with that. I once tried to recreate a powerful part from an edm-song, I thought it was just a stab with a lot of reverb, easy. Haha.
But there are all the tricks that are used that nobody tells about. And then it's like 8 layers instead of 3 and so on.

Passing Bye
KVRian
1201 posts since 5 Nov, 2014

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:29 am

John 00 Fleming spins good trance

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Vortifex
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1749 posts since 1 Sep, 2016

Re: The 'state' of trance music today

Post Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:38 am

Bob Slydell wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:27 pm
That track was my number 1 for a long long time....
There is plenty around these days you just need to know where to look amongst alot of mediocre tracks....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj8OdZZoNcA
The first 45 seconds of that Allen Watts track got me tingling, it had the oldschool vibe. But then it went a bit 'euro' with the generic chord progression. Very well produced though, and I can imagine it would sound fantastic in a club.

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