Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[DrumAddict]

yes same here ""CmDongle license will expire soon. Remaining days:9" it does not matter which DAW .

but i dont expect an answere from vengeance here .

website says now:

Avenger uses CodeMeter protection, that means you have 3 activations for your computers and you can activate/de-activate them in your Avenger account page. You do NOT need a USB dongle for Avenger! Computers are software activated and refresh their license automatically all 90 days. The use of a dongle is optional. If you use one you need a WIBU Key CodeMeter Dongle (at least version 3).

lets see if it gets automatically refreshed

[Krovatin]

So it supposed to get automatically refreshed?

[dreamvoid]

The re-authorisation of a dongle defeats the purpose of a dongle and is just a method to have better control of the users. Just imagine re-authorisation of dongles would be the norm, assumed most users have several licenses running!? The legitimate user would be forced to act as a bookkeeper for his licenses all the time.
In professional environments studio computers are often not connected to the internet - Netflix even demands it for production facilities. It seems Avenger, which has tremendous capabilities, is nevertheless targeted to amateurs and people like gamers, who are used to get controlled online.
Codemeter (Wibu) does make this optional, it is not how Codemeter dongles usually work.
Because of the understandable desire to protect their work and fight against piracy, they act against the legit users. For the sake of prevention, I hope more people speak up against this.

[msvs]

very soon there will be the new "V-Man" manager, then it will be much simpler (automatic / 1 click)
meanwhile just do this:

You can renew the time-period by deactivating and reactivating your license on the computer using the

- “Manage Activations” button in your account.
- Click the button "Re-Host License" to de-activate the license
- Then click the Button "Activate Licenses" to activate the license again

This will reset the time-period

[KenjiDeVries]

The re-authorisation of a dongle defeats the purpose of a dongle and is just a method to have better control of the users.

Indeed. But as if anyone would wonder in here

[MasterTuner]

@ Manuel, can you answer how many Sequences the Tropical House expansion has?

very soon there will be the new "V-Man" manager, then it will be much simpler (automatic / 1 click)

[zvenx]

very soon there will be the new "V-Man" manager, then it will be much simpler (automatic / 1 click)
meanwhile just do this:

You can renew the time-period by deactivating and reactivating your license on the computer using the

- “Manage Activations” button in your account.
- Click the button "Re-Host License" to de-activate the license
- Then click the Button "Activate Licenses" to activate the license again

This will reset the time-period

say WHAT?
rsp

[noiseboyuk]

Yes, waaay too complicated for a permanent license at present. The new v-man will be better if its one click, but really it should be zero clicks. If Avenger finds an internet connection, it should automatically update the three months on a rolling basis.

Genuinely I can't think of any other product - music or otherwise - which is a permanent license that requires this amount of intervention on the part of the user. It's not a subscription. This should be essentially invisible to the user.

[zvenx]

Yes, waaay too complicated for a permanent license at present. The new v-man will be better if its one click, but really it should be zero clicks. If Avenger finds an internet connection, it should automatically update the three months on a rolling basis.

Genuinely I can't think of any other product - music or otherwise - which is a permanent license that requires this amount of intervention on the part of the user. It's not a subscription. This should be essentially invisible to the user.

Huge +1.
I just did the rehost, activate again on both my mac and pc. Not sure I will be ok with doing it in three months. I wasn't even ok with doing it today.
Ridiculous.
rsp

[rlared]

Seems like a minor and temporary annoyance to me... Not that big of a deal

[SirkusPi]

Seems like a minor and temporary annoyance to me... Not that big of a deal

The "temporary annoyances" are piling up.

Putting aside whether CodeMeter causes system degradation, there's the whole "install a whole new copy protection scheme for software you've already paid for" issue.

There's the whole confusion at roll-out.

Now there's having to manually reset to copy protection every three months (at least until the new V-Man comes out; I'm not sure what happens then).

Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that each of the above is only a minor annoyance, at what point is it too much? At what point do people start saying, "Look, I paid for this software, I'm actually a legitimate, honest customer, and I'd like to keep using it without hassles"?

I understand (and even greatly sympathize with) VPS' need to protect its property from software pirates. But surely at some point customers are entitled to say "stop making it a hassle for me to use what I paid for, and piling on additional issues that punish me for pirates' misconduct."

You plainly have not reached that point yet. But I think it's reasonable that others have.

[DPhil]

Not having a perpetual license but a subscription model is not a temporary annoyance.

[Caine123]

With VMan do you still need to use codemeter? Im still pre 1.5

[clipnotic]

I don't understand why they are making so much trouble just for copy protection? I'm buying VSTs since 15 years and 90% are still working with "simple and stress-free" copy protection systems and they are all still in business and people buy and like them. But here many costumers have problems and are angry and potential costumers are careful and waiting or looking for and buy other synths. Avenger was praised as "the last synth you will ever need" but at the moment it's the synth with the most stressful copy protection fight and most expensive expansions! And meanwhile there are many other top synths available, too!

So perhaps it would be wise to hold a meeting with the boss and rethink that things. Avenger is a german product, right? And in Germany at the moment many companies are thinking they can expect their customers trouble and / or high prices for expansions or updates (e.g. Dune 3) and well, many german customers are very prone to hype everything but VST business is a world market. And actually there is a hardware boom, too. So really rethink your positions and make your synth to the first synth everybody will love! Amen and best regards from Germany!

[SirkusPi]

With VMan do you still need to use codemeter? Im still pre 1.5

I believe CodeMeter will still be necessary under VMan, and, like you, I'm pre-1.5 forever now (and, incidentally, will never purchase from VPS again).

I don't understand why they are making so much trouble just for copy protection? I'm buying VSTs since 15 years and 90% are still working with "simple and stress-free" copy protection systems and they are all still in business and people buy and like them. But here many costumers have problems and are angry and potential costumers are careful and waiting or looking for and buy other synths. Avenger was praised as "the last synth you will ever need" but at the moment it's the synth with the most stressful copy protection fight and most expensive expansions! And meanwhile there are many other top synths available, too!

+1. Absolutely agreed.