Vengeance Producer Suite - AVENGER - 1.8.5 the main thread

[k-tronix]

As much as I’m tempted to get up in knots over the copy protection schemes used by many developers, I go def con 1 when I see scum using pirated wares. Absolutely pisses me off and anything I can participate in to cut those bastards off, I’m all for.

[marzelli]

There are requirements for begin offline & even more for being secure by film/series studios and certain music labels, but that's none of my bussiness and certainly not the one of Vengeance... I chose to be offline because OS, DAW & plugins call home or update theirself and have f****ed up my system/projects more than once. But the biggest problem I see is being 100% dependent on the vendor eventhough you've purchased a license, not a subscription.

[Caine123]

What is the advantage of a codemeter dongle compared to the software? If you got the dongle do you still need to run the codemeter software?

Usually the advantage is: activate *the perpetual license* once, no one can take it away from you, use it everywhere. Some sort of driver/software has to be installed of course for the communication with the dongle. But as far as I read it works all different with this product, such that unlike with eLicenser or iLok the dongle does not have any value but introduces the same disadvantages + compatibility problems.

thx so i wonder why you should use the dongle at all

[XxEDxX]

What is the advantage of a codemeter dongle compared to the software? If you got the dongle do you still need to run the codemeter software?

Usually the advantage is: activate *the perpetual license* once, no one can take it away from you, use it everywhere. Some sort of driver/software has to be installed of course for the communication with the dongle. But as far as I read it works all different with this product, such that unlike with eLicenser or iLok the dongle does not have any value but introduces the same disadvantages + compatibility problems.

thx so i wonder why you should use the dongle at all

In case of this product I don't see a reason for now (I don't see a reason for a 3rd dongle at all). But again, I think it was not that clear from the beginning that it'll be that way. As many have pointed out, Avenger is the only and negative exception of the usual purpose of a dongle. The other cm protected software that can be licensed with a dongle, will include a perpetual license.

[hvyen]

Reactivating the license is for Avenger and all XPs simultaneously with one click. It’s taking some seconds, that’s it. VMAN will do it automatically. Everything is good!

[noiseboyuk]

No-one has been able to explain to me why it isn't possible for the plugin to simply auto-renew every time it is launched - check for an internet connection and if its there just do it. Most people would forget its even a thing if they did that.

What you’re failing to recognize (understandably, because it’s so bizarre) is that VPS’ overriding priority is making sure Avenger doesn’t get pirated. Everything is geared towards that.

Actually I do get that. That's why my question was - why is this not an automatic process? Still keeps them happy, keeps (most of us) happy too.

Here's an example of how the current system, or even the new VMAN one will be a problem. My 2nd machine is the laptop, which I use infrequntly. Then I take it away, fire it up somewhere without net access and - no Avenger. Or - as happens more frequently than it should - the studio net connection goes down on the main rig. Right at the 90 day timeout. At least if it updated itself every time it was launched - or even better as an ultra-low footprint background OS process - the chances of these things happening are reduced.

These are all first world problems. Yes, I should always plan ahead. Yes, I should be able to find somewhere to restore net access, hook up a mobile or something. But given that VPS changed to a new untried system (still no-one has suggested any product anywhere on earth quite like this btw), it seems incumbent on them to make it as hassle-free as possible. Why build a whole new system - VMAN - and yet STILL not have it work automtically in the background, requiring the user to remember "hey, I need to do this update thing again". Maybe there is a solid technical or piracy-related reason, but no-one has suggested one.

[courtjestr]

What is the advantage of a codemeter dongle compared to the software? If you got the dongle do you still need to run the codemeter software?

Usually the advantage is: activate *the perpetual license* once, no one can take it away from you, use it everywhere. Some sort of driver/software has to be installed of course for the communication with the dongle. But as far as I read it works all different with this product, such that unlike with eLicenser or iLok the dongle does not have any value but introduces the same disadvantages + compatibility problems.

thx so i wonder why you should use the dongle at all

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the purpose of the dongle was so that you could have Avenger installed on multiple machines and move the dongle from machine to machine and use Avenger without having to reactivate every time you switched machines.

[Wizz_Art]

I've got a pop up saying my exp. license in CM is going to expire in 9 days, I thought what the hell is this I activated it in CM when I bought it wich was a true hassle by the way. So I need to re-activate in CM. I see 3 things in my CM. Two of them greyed out and also saying the license container is empty. The single other one is blue and says license activated. I can't for the life of me figure out how I fix that? Can someone please explain!?

[courtjestr]

I've got a pop up saying my exp. license in CM is going to expire in 9 days, I thought what the hell is this I activated it in CM when I bought it wich was a true hassle by the way. So I need to re-activate in CM. I see 3 things in my CM. Two of them greyed out and also saying the license container is empty. The single other one is blue and says license activated. I can't for the life of me figure out how I fix that? Can someone please explain!?

You need to rehost via your Avenger account. Using a browser, log into your Avenger account, click on manage activations, click on Re-Host Licenses, click on Deactivate Selected Licenses Now, Click on Activate Licenses Now, Click on I want my licenses on one computer, Click on Activate Selected Licenses Now, Click on OK...done

[rj0]

I would have commented earlier this evening but my internet/cable provider service was down (for maintenance), again.

Yes, that happens, and way too often (and I can imagine that in some places, the internet is down far more frequently, for far more serious reasons). And, as far as internet connectivity, I can understand some companies keeping some of their systems offline for protection (Vengeance, if anybody, should appreciate concerns of cyber crime). So I guess you can say this regular CM internet re-licensing of 1.5 does not set well with me.

Back when 1.5 w/CM came out, I downloaded both (1.5, and CM), uninstalled 1.4, and started installing CM. After getting odd results (or maybe it was just too cryptic for me), I put it all aside, and just reinstalled 1.4, figuring I'd try again when others had figured out the whole new licensing situation (and/or it got simplified). I even started investigating the purchase of the CM dongle. As a long-time iLok user, I assumed it would work similarly (setup once on dongle, and done). I've got licenses on iLok that go back years, and I think the only thing I've had to update in all that time was the iLok manager, once. Even if a particular company goes under, the iLok license should continue to work. I would have been glad to go with iLok for 1.5.

Clearly the CM dongle situation isn't much of an improvement over the soft CM installer (can you imagine if you had to do a reauth for each of the VST companies you've purchased from, multiple times per year?), so no sense getting the dongle it seems, and it looks like I'm staying on 1.4 until this whole CM mess (especially the regular reauthorizing via internet connection) gets seriously improved.

[msvs]

I can well apprecite the frustration for those reading a 782 page thread where folks are still banging on about the CP, but we are in an oddly unique case here. Its some kind of weird hybrid between a permanent license and a subscription, and perhaps that's one of the reasons why it is still being so over-discussed. Can anyone cite an example of another product of any kind on the planet where you own something permanently yet have to manually update a license at regular intervals to keep it working? There must be one, but I can't think of it.

No-one has been able to explain to me why it isn't possible for the plugin to simply auto-renew every time it is launched - check for an internet connection and if its there just do it. Most people would forget its even a thing if they did that.

good that you ask
for example Nexus has to renew all 30 days.
Other online methods for example do it everytime you start up (for example any game in Steam or when you watch a purchased movie in Amazon). But I think this is actually worse than all 90 days:
We chose 90 days so THAT YOU CAN HAVE A LONG TIME OFFLINE before you have to reconnect. For example when you are travelling or have bad internet. We listened to all those who told us, they need to have a long offline period. But I guess you cant do it right for everyone. So basically now you are saying we should perform the check for every launch, rather then all 3 months?

[starflakeprj]

There will always be this small group of people that will complain about everything. What is extraordinary is that this small group of people often sound like the majority, while they most often are less than a minority.

[revvy]

Extraordinary.

[Wizz_Art]

I've got a pop up saying my exp. license in CM is going to expire in 9 days, I thought what the hell is this I activated it in CM when I bought it wich was a true hassle by the way. So I need to re-activate in CM. I see 3 things in my CM. Two of them greyed out and also saying the license container is empty. The single other one is blue and says license activated. I can't for the life of me figure out how I fix that? Can someone please explain!?

You need to rehost via your Avenger account. Using a browser, log into your Avenger account, click on manage activations, click on Re-Host Licenses, click on Deactivate Selected Licenses Now, Click on Activate Licenses Now, Click on I want my licenses on one computer, Click on Activate Selected Licenses Now, Click on OK...done

Thank you! That was a really good help. So I got something weird happenning now. I logged in to my AVNGR acct, noticed that I need to update CM which I did, rebooted my PC and managed to deactivate the licenses on my account and thereafter to activate those licenses again on one computer. Instead of every entry now being blue colored in CM I got two (out of three) and one is still greyed out with the status saying 'empty license container' I don't understand what I'm doing wrong here, has anybody an idea how I fix that one?'

[noiseboyuk]

So basically now you are saying we should perform the check for every launch, rather then all 3 months?

Thanks Manuel - yes, that would be terrific. But crucially it's not pass / fail for immediate use, its a background activity to extend the 90 days. I launch it today, I get 90 days from today. I launch it next week, I get 90 days from then - a rolling window extension. Is that possible?

(I don't know much about STEAM, but with an Amazon movie for example that's a different streaming model. You never own the movie).