Available now: Tone2 Icarus2.5 - Wavetable Workstation

[Inversion Of Control]

Icarus does not play a sound. It outputs a small DC to avoid CPU-denormals. The DC is inaudible and has no negative effect on the sound at all. This is not a bug it is a feature. It helps to keep the CPU low.

I am not specialist in synth development, for me it's causing the whole mixer track to be processed even without any sounds being played. As I said most synths don't have this problem.
You are saying it's a feature (or FL Studio bug) - I get it, it's your synth and you have right to say so, however users of FL Studio have the right to know about it.

[polac]

Unfortunately Icarus2 doesn't work properly with FL Studio 20.5 'Switch smart disable for all plugins' option:

I wouldn't enable this by default on all plugins, as Markus said isn't a vst feature and is prone to errors. Has FLStudio a per-plugin setting to enable this feature on selected plugins? In Jeskola Buzz I did this as a per-plugin setting(auto-suspend plugin it is named here).

[Hanz Meyzer]

Maybe I didn't get it here, but isn't icarus 2 then simply preventing any kind of smart disabling mechanism of vst2 plugins since the plugin uses this unusual dc offset technique, even your mechanism, sir polac?

[polac]

Maybe I didn't get it here, but isn't icarus 2 then simply preventing any kind of smart disabling mechanism of vst2 plugins since the plugin uses this unusual dc offset technique, even your mechanism, sir polac?

Yes it does. In Jeskola Buzz I have also have a threshold value to set, so Icarus would work here, don't know if FlStudio has such a threshold to be set.

[Hanz Meyzer]

Ah right, threshold The auto-suspend of Icarus itself works properly in Renoise (it is not possible to measure the auto-suspend of vst effects in Renoise though), so I guess also Renoise is using such a threshold.

So a conclusion might be that FLStudio should implement a threshold here, too?

And since there are such thresholds, the technique that Markus is using here, is not unusual at all?

Can Inversion Of Control then simply add a dc offset filter after Icarus to make FLStudio auto-suspend work properly?

[Markus Krause]

I do not recommend the use of auto-suspend at all. As already mentioned it is not a VST feature and it can cause errors. What comes to my mind is loosing sync with arpeggiators, lfos etc.

What the guys from FL studio could to to enhance it would indeed be the introduction of a threshold or measuring the difference to the previous sample instead of comparing to 0.

[tasty tatsyn]

Hi,

I have a question regarding the wavetable editor.

So far I can not find a way to audition the selected wave by playing the keyboard. The keyboard always triggers the first wave in the table. I know that we can trigger notes of any selected wave on the right hand side mini keyboard on the GUI but, this makes it impossible to play the sound in realtime and draw curves and hear the changes in sound in real time.

So is it somehow possible to select a wave (in the editor) audition it by playing a physical MIDI keyboard (not the one on the GUI) and then edit the waveform as I play and hear the results in realtime?

Thank you.

Hi, i believe it's not possible yet the way you desire.. i wish it was also possible, however..
i'm sure you already considered other options but the way i worked with icarus to solve that issue on early sound design stages (starting a preset) was..

- set 2 last mod matrix slots to:
in matrix slot x - fixed to OSC wave
matrix slot y - mod wheel [or another controler knob/cc] to matrix slot x ammount

- set OSC fade to Zero
(watch wave form in main page if in doubt)

... you can change afterwards the OSC in matrix slot x to OSC 2 and 3

not what you wanted directly in editor but might help in the process.....
you can then change to editor mode(while tweaking the wavetable) and select with modwheel

Hey,
Thank you for the suggestion. There is a fundamental problem with this, that is, the modulation we have set up in the mod matrix (say we are using the mod wheel) does not show which wave is currently selected when in the Waveform Editor mode. So it's impossible to select a specific wave.

Hi, assigning the wave to a cc/modwheel is a help, not ideal but for me it helps, granted i usually(in most cases) i just use a few wavetables and tweak the morph...

like i said not ideal you might need to go back and forth from main page to edit mode
... but you can see what wavetable is selected in main page, just watch the desired OSC waveform/table
... then switch to edit mode and edit the wavetable; if you don't move the cc assigned to wavetable you can then play on the keyboard or MIDI device

if after you want to move to next wavetable just tap the cc a bit foward....... (if in doubt go to main page to double check if correct wavetable is selected)
*Note you can change OSC view mode clicking on OSC display area to a kind of 2D wavetable view [same as in edit vieew]

[himalaya]

like i said not ideal you might need to go back and forth from main page to edit mode

That is the problem. For me, this is not a solution.

We should be able to select a wave in the Waveform Editor with the mouse cursor and be able to play it on the physical keyboard, without exiting the editor.

[tasty tatsyn]

I assume its because it's a diferent module of the Synth and maybe it caused some issues, anyhow, maybe it's possible to create some sort of "quick link" between both......?

only Markus can answer that but that could also create problems, one that comes to mind is as you automate/modulate the wavetable in the preset the editor would also change making it also not ideal...

so i guess an editor restricted solution would be the best for your cenario but that lock would also not allow to play the preset letting the wavetables/full preset flow with all it's intrinsic modulations... sounding completely diferent as you progress on with the preset design
.....and also making you go back and forth between edit/non edit mode to hear how the full preset sounds like.
Just having both options exclusively i prefer how it is right now because i want to hear how the full preset sounds like while i adjust/tweak the wavetable.

a sugestion then...... (not knowing how feasible it is/problems it can create/CPU footprint/.../..)
a "lock/unlock wavetable" button on the wavetable editor

[tasty tatsyn]

if we think a bit more about it i get the perception (Markus can correct me if wrong....)

it would be a simple "lock/unlock button" that would require.....
- removing/bypassing and storing values for:
- all Envelopes/MSEG's/LFO's/Drums and Glicth sections.../....
- all matrix modulations and cross modulations
- MIDI Values
- all FX's
- the values of the parameters controled by those modulations and cross modulations
....
........
all this while that complexity/quantity of values are probably changing or can be being played and avoiding possible crashes.... +CPU+Memory footprint

it would be a simple "lock/unlock button" but it seems to me like it's not that simple after all

[noxxle_]

Does Tone2 limit the number of authorized computers for their products? I'm making a list of companies that do not here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=540407

[Markus Krause]

I've noted the request of beeing able to audition to waveforms with the keyboard.

Does Tone2 limit the number of authorized computers for their products? I'm making a list of companies that do not here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=540407

No. You can install the software on several computers. The computers must be owned by you.
All licenses are cross platform (PC/MAC).
You are not allowed to share your license with other people.

[tasty tatsyn]

I've noted the request of beeing able to audition to waveforms with the keyboard.

i know it's up to personal preference but given the option to only have one or the other exclusively in editor i prefer the way it is so i can hear the "full preset" while tweaking the wavetables/waveform....

Maybe some form of a MIDI assign swap is possible?... so we can toggle between both without much issues?

[Markus Krause]

Hmm. Maybe an option in the config section where you can define how the physical keyboard ist used in the wavetable editor?

[zvenx]

Options always get my votes. People work in so many different ways.
rsp