Another DnB Track, looking for feedback :)

[Zeekuh]

Edit - back to the drawing board
Edit 2: Keeping it old link for those that wish to learn from my mistakes.

https://soundcloud.com/zeekuh/out-of-its/s-DmSFI

This is my first master with ozone, good stuff.
Any feedback appreciated!

Regards
Zeekuh

[wagtunes]

nvm

[Robmobius]

How can I say this nicely? Nope, can't. I'll just say nothing. But I did listen. Maybe somebody more in tune with this genre (I still don't see how this is DnB regardless) can give you some constructive feedback. I can't.

It's drum & bass man... It has that signature drum 2 step thing going on.

I think you're unfamiliar with the uk drum & Bass scene - put in 'DnB' in youtube and that's all you'll get.

[wagtunes]

How can I say this nicely? Nope, can't. I'll just say nothing. But I did listen. Maybe somebody more in tune with this genre (I still don't see how this is DnB regardless) can give you some constructive feedback. I can't.

It's drum & bass man... It has that signature drum 2 step thing going on.

I think you're unfamiliar with the uk drum & Bass scene - put in 'DnB' in youtube and that's all you'll get.

Well, it isn't the DnB that I'm used to hearing. So it must be a different form or something. I can post examples of what I'm used to hearing if it'll help. This track, whatever it is, isn't what I'm used to hearing.

Regardless, whatever genre it is, I think it's best if I reserve my comments on it.

[Robmobius]

Well, it isn't the DnB that I'm used to hearing. So it must be a different form or something. I can post examples of what I'm used to hearing if it'll help. This track, whatever it is, isn't what I'm used to hearing.

To me it's just commercial DnB it's not the stuff I like in general, but I'm familiar with the genre. What type of stuff are you thinking about? Just curious.

[anomandaris1]

There is something wrong with the mixdown, the track is generic electro-pop dnb, but you somehow ruined the mix/mastering part.

[Robmobius]

There is something wrong with the mixdown, the track is generic electro-pop dnb, but you somehow ruined the mix/mastering part.

I thought it sounded thin in places and then a little distorted on the low end. The mix is not very consistent.

Using Ozone it's easy to over cook your track - A little goes a long way.

[Zeekuh]

There is something wrong with the mixdown, the track is generic electro-pop dnb, but you somehow ruined the mix/mastering part.

Thanks for the input, have overlooked the mixdown and found some mistakes, then redid the master.

There is something wrong with the mixdown, the track is generic electro-pop dnb, but you somehow ruined the mix/mastering part.

I thought it sounded thin in places and then a little distorted on the low end. The mix is not very consistent.

Using Ozone it's easy to over cook your track - A little goes a long way.

Thanks for the input, hm thin, are you refering to the different sections? It's was intended to give clearer view of the different sections you're in, maybe i should overlook my structuring a bit?
You're right i did 'overcook' during master, i really overlooked the volume red labels, rookie mistaktes

Hope it sounds better now
Edit - back to drawing board
Regards Zeekuh

[Robmobius]

Don't crush the bejesus out of it... Let the track breath. Make sure it has some headroom. Louder is not better!

What are you using to listen to your track on? Have you got proper monitors set up?

Also, have a look as some tracks you really like and look at a frequency analyzer. That will give you an idea how you track should 'look' (and sound of course). Bear in mind, that a professionally mastered track will always be louder.

[sjm]

Edit: I see you posted a new version in the time it took me to write this... So this is based on the first version.

First thoughts: hats are buried, vocals sound somewhat muddy and there's big issues with the frequency spread. Snare seems to be lacking the smack that is required for the genre (it's the single most important element IMO, that driving snare smack on the off beat). The mix definitely needs work.

If it were up to me, I'd ditch the vocals for most/all of the track and focus on getting the drums n bass to the forefront, rather than the synths. Nomen est omen and all that. But I like the old skool stuff a lot more than the modern stuff, so I appreciate some of that is personal preference. I didn't really feel like the vocals were gelling with the track much of the time. The "oh ohs" seem fine, but there's simply too much going on at once IMO, and not in the right places.

What I personally like about DnB is the barrage of drums that make it sound like the electronic version of punk to me. Fast, in your face and just that bit grimy and dirty/DIY in sound. I know that's not where the newer stuff is headed, but I actually think that is a mistake as a lot of the synth heavy stuff is lacking the heart and soul of the genre as a result. But I also appreciate that tastes are not universal.

Overall, I'm missing breakbeats, hats that are actually driving the track, snare smack and a clearly defined bass part. The synths are masking the bass, and the hats are just not very DnB-esque being buried the way they are. I think thinning out the synths a bit would probably help. While it's not really my cup of tea - and I *really* like older DnB - I suspect that cleaning up the mix will go a long way to improving the track. But I'd also look at the arrangement and try and bring the core elements of the genre more to the fore.

[codec_spurt]

https://soundcloud.com/zeekuh/out-of-it-1/s-000ih

This is my first master with ozone, good stuff.
Any feedback appreciated!

Regards
Zeekuh

Your track is a distorted mess.

It lacks both engineering skill and also musical skill.

You over did it with the Ozone, but underdid it with the musical content.

It has very few redeeming features.

I'd go back to the drawing board and seriously re-evaluate what it is you want to do with music.

Possibly your life.

Calm down. Slow it down. Give it more space. Take those vocal samples and make them more spread out and interesting. Give it a bit of funk instead of a never ending death loop of head banging. This is not heavy metal. Your track has a 'liquid' feel but even that is lost in the barrage of noise.

Did you think this was a good mix?

A good musical representation of what you do?


I'm inclined to think you are just taking the piss as you just joined and maybe you are having a bit of fun with the generally good-natured folks at KVR?

You are probably Ed Rush or Optical or even Goldie, perhaps, having a bit of fun with his mates out there on your Thailand trip?

If not, I'd seriously have a word with yourself.

I don't expect much back. Perhaps a few words along the lines of: "Oh no sir, that is not me, I would never do such an evil thing". It's ok. Seen it all before.

But in the next few weeks, you won't be making any more posts, you won't reply to anyone who took serious time out of their life to help you out, and you, will have the last laugh.

Let's see.

I'm happy to take you up to the level of Drum 'n' Bass Master if you follow along.

Then again...

[Zeekuh]

Edit: I see you posted a new version in the time it took me to write this... So this is based on the first version.

First thoughts: hats are buried, vocals sound somewhat muddy and there's big issues with the frequency spread. Snare seems to be lacking the smack that is required for the genre (it's the single most important element IMO, that driving snare smack on the off beat). The mix definitely needs work.

If it were up to me, I'd ditch the vocals for most/all of the track and focus on getting the drums n bass to the forefront, rather than the synths. Nomen est omen and all that. But I like the old skool stuff a lot more than the modern stuff, so I appreciate some of that is personal preference. I didn't really feel like the vocals were gelling with the track much of the time. The "oh ohs" seem fine, but there's simply too much going on at once IMO, and not in the right places.

What I personally like about DnB is the barrage of drums that make it sound like the electronic version of punk to me. Fast, in your face and just that bit grimy and dirty/DIY in sound. I know that's not where the newer stuff is headed, but I actually think that is a mistake as a lot of the synth heavy stuff is lacking the heart and soul of the genre as a result. But I also appreciate that tastes are not universal.

Overall, I'm missing breakbeats, hats that are actually driving the track, snare smack and a clearly defined bass part. The synths are masking the bass, and the hats are just not very DnB-esque being buried the way they are. I think thinning out the synths a bit would probably help. While it's not really my cup of tea - and I *really* like older DnB - I suspect that cleaning up the mix will go a long way to improving the track. But I'd also look at the arrangement and try and bring the core elements of the genre more to the fore.

https://soundcloud.com/zeekuh/out-of-it-1/s-000ih

This is my first master with ozone, good stuff.
Any feedback appreciated!

Regards
Zeekuh

Your track is a distorted mess.

It lacks both engineering skill and also musical skill.

You over did it with the Ozone, but underdid it with the musical content.

It has very few redeeming features.

I'd go back to the drawing board and seriously re-evaluate what it is you want to do with music.

Possibly your life.

Calm down. Slow it down. Give it more space. Take those vocal samples and make them more spread out and interesting. Give it a bit of funk instead of a never ending death loop of head banging. This is not heavy metal. Your track has a 'liquid' feel but even that is lost in the barrage of noise.

Did you think this was a good mix?

A good musical representation of what you do?


I'm inclined to think you are just taking the piss as you just joined and maybe you are having a bit of fun with the generally good-natured folks at KVR?

You are probably Ed Rush or Optical or even Goldie, perhaps, having a bit of fun with his mates out there on your Thailand trip?

If not, I'd seriously have a word with yourself.

I don't expect much back. Perhaps a few words along the lines of: "Oh no sir, that is not me, I would never do such an evil thing". It's ok. Seen it all before.

But in the next few weeks, you won't be making any more posts, you won't reply to anyone who took serious time out of their life to help you out, and you, will have the last laugh.

Let's see.

I'm happy to take you up to the level of Drum 'n' Bass Master if you follow along.

Then again...

Im not trying to waste anyones time, i started doing this 2 months ago so im doing a lot of mistakes, that's why i came here, for feedback. Im sorry that you feel that way.
This was my first master with ozone and i overdid it, so i guess i should stick to landr untill i trained myself better.
I appreciate the time you take to feedback me, even though i feel you dont have to be that harsh.
I will carry the advice you gave with me for the following songs and try to improve my game.

Regards
Zeekuh

[GaryG]

I'd cherry pick the constructive bits from the previous posts regarding the mix, arrangement-wise I don't see anything wildly wrong with this track (though not really my genre, a couple of metalheadz comps and some alex reece, roni size cds twenty-odd years ago are where I'm coming from ).

Personally I think considering you've only been at this two months it's a respectable start, keep at it, onwards and upwards.

[schmerzschlag]

Ye, don't get discouraged by harsh criticism. If Landr does a better job than Ozone, I don't know. I use O8 (Elements though, couldn't bring myself to buying into the full experience) from time to time and it's always a bit loud. Be sure, if you use the Assistant to feed Ozone with the loudest part of the track, not just the intro.
You may want to have a look at mixing advise. Start with YouTube or use the search function here. There is quite some tips and threads for full blown mixing courses (but be careful for scammers, double-check opinions). It maybe helps to get shoved into the right direction.
You may want to have a look at learning how to use reference tracks. Also in regards of mixing, but also in terms of arranging, building a track etc.
Then finish stuff. A lot of stuff. Don't spend weeks on a track at this stage. You can do this later, when you've got the basics down. Two months is not a lot of time. It will get better, if you put in the work.

[tristan-]

Edit - back to the drawing board

This is my first master with ozone, good stuff.
Any feedback appreciated!

Regards
Zeekuh

I don't understand the point of deleting a post. Posting in a public forum like this, in a thread full of comments and deleting the main post instead of letting others (especially newbies) learn from this is the same as spitting in your own well. I for one, hope you will not get such extensive feedback on your next post, if this is the way you treat the forum back.