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Echoes in the Attic · Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:00 am

Really good price on this right now and I might not mind a dedicated vintage string machine VST.

Just curious, anyone know what the sampling specs are on this thing? I assume every note, but what about velocity layers etc.? Any fanciness going on to give slight variation to the start point? so it's not always retriggering the same and acting more like a synthesized sound source... I don't see a sample start knob so I guess that would not be possible to modulate.

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:29 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:00 am Really good price on this right now and I might not mind a dedicated vintage string machine VST.

Just curious, anyone know what the sampling specs are on this thing? I assume every note, but what about velocity layers etc.? Any fanciness going on to give slight variation to the start point? so it's not always retriggering the same and acting more like a synthesized sound source... I don't see a sample start knob so I guess that would not be possible to modulate.

Thanks for the heads up. I've been waiting for this for a long time. I was a bit disappointed they didn't include it in the xmas/newyear sale they had with Oddity and ImpOSCar.

£40 quid for this absolute beast. Ah well, Steinberg's loss is G-Force's gain I guess. See you 'round next time Halion when you do another tricky sale! I'll be waiting...

This will probably be the last VST plugin I ever need to buy!

It's like Xmas again...

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:31 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:00 am Really good price on this right now and I might not mind a dedicated vintage string machine VST.

BTW, it is so much more than that.

If their other synths were mastepieces, then this holds its own just as well.

Anyone not getting this now will regret it later.

Dunbar · Post by **Dunbar** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:41 am

Does VSM's copy protection require the host computer to be connected to the internet?

codec_spurt · Post by **codec_spurt** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:54 am

Dunbar wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:41 am Does VSM's copy protection require the host computer to be connected to the internet?

It's just a serial. You plug it in and you're good to go. IIRC.

One of the best copy protections around. Stick it on a few machines.

christian f. · Post by **christian f.** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:14 am

Anyone compared this to UVI String Machines 2 ?

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:03 pm

codec_spurt wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:31 am
Echoes in the Attic wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:00 am Really good price on this right now and I might not mind a dedicated vintage string machine VST.

BTW, it is so much more than that.

If their other synths were mastepieces, then this holds its own just as well.

Anyone not getting this now will regret it later.

Well there are some poor reviews of it as well. Many people say how it doesn't do the originals justice and sounds quite different, since sampling can't capture those types of machines. Generally I think the Reaktor based Eminent or Solina will be more accurate. But the sample based layering could be it's own cool instrument.

But I guess nobody knows how it was sampled? I know from the site that it is every key, but I'm thinking it might just be a single velocity. Most (all?) of the originals are not velocity sensitive so I guess that wasn't necessary. But no RR or any thing, just a single sample per note?

telecode · Post by **telecode** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:06 pm

Can anyone comment, how does it compare to Arturia VCollectoin and UVI VintageVault?

outerspacecat · Post by **outerspacecat** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:21 pm

christian f. wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:14 am Anyone compared this to UVI String Machines 2 ?

telecode wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:06 pm Can anyone comment, how does it compare to Arturia VCollectoin and UVI VintageVault?

I own all three of them as well as an original ARP Solina String Ensemble (hardware).
In my ears the GForce VSM still performs best. For me it offers the most organic (vintage/retro) sound of them all.
UVI sounds way too sterile in my ears, the samples are so polished, corrected, denoised and (probably) even (pitch corrected) that all life is sucked out of the original samples.
Arturia Solina V is just nice, but when it comes to virtual modelling I think FXpansion Amber (part of the DCAM Synth Squad) still sounds the most authentic.
Synth Magic also offers several string ensemble libraries which are excellent.
The bottom line is that authentic sampling is simply the best way if you are after a sound close to the original (it's nothing else than recording the original within a production).
That's why I consider the current price of the GForce VSM to be an absolute no-brainer!

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:34 pm

outerspacecat wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:21 pm
christian f. wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:14 am Anyone compared this to UVI String Machines 2 ?

telecode wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:06 pm Can anyone comment, how does it compare to Arturia VCollectoin and UVI VintageVault?
I own all three of them as well as an original ARP Solina String Ensemble (hardware).
In my ears the GForce VSM still performs best. For me it offers the most organic (vintage/retro) sound of them all.
UVI sounds way too sterile in my ears, the samples are so polished, corrected, denoised and (probably) even (pitch corrected) that all life is sucked out of the original samples.
Arturia Solina V is just nice, but when it comes to virtual modelling I think FXpansion Amber (part of the DCAM Synth Squad) still sounds the most authentic.
Synth Magic also offers several string ensemble libraries which are excellent.
The bottom line is that authentic sampling is simply the best way if you are after a sound close to the original (it's nothing else than recording the original within a production).
That's why I consider the current price of the GForce VSM to be an absolute no-brainer!

Interesting, thanks. That's very different to what some others are saying. Do you own Reaktor? Have you tried the string ensembles people have made with that? They all sound pretty amazing. I'd say better than the Arturia solina. Then there are a couple free ones from Full Bucket that are pretty good too.

SHall1000 · Post by **SHall1000** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:08 pm

Is there no demo?!

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:16 pm

Also, I remember from the M-Tron something that annoyed me was that although the presets had arrow buttons to go through the presets without needing to enter the drop down menu, the sound sources did not have that. So you had to go back into the menu to select a sound source every time. It boggles my mind that they would have this for presets and not for sample sets. You are just as likely to want to go through the sound sources one by one. Is this the case with the VSM as well?

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:16 pm

SHall1000 wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:08 pm Is there no demo?!

Nope.

SHall1000 · Post by **SHall1000** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:55 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:16 pm
SHall1000 wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:08 pm Is there no demo?!
Nope.

Hhmm. On reflection guess that's the norm with large sample based stuff.

christian f. · Post by **christian f.** » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:37 pm

outerspacecat wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:21 pm That's why I consider the current price of the GForce VSM to be an absolute no-brainer!

Thanks for sharing your perspective and advice !

GForce VSM - a few technical questions (on sale right now)