KVR Audio

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:13 am

e-crooner wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 pm I don't remember the sound of Dune 1. Would be cool to have Dune 1 with the sound quality of Dune 3

I think that DUNE 1 has a great workflow...

I realise that DUNE 2 has many upgrades and better specs,but there is something about the original that makes it a more tactile experience for me...

It's easy to tweak when you're working on a project and it sounds great in the mix...

I had a positive interaction with it when I first used it so many years ago and I still have that same feeling today...

Thorn is the only other synth that I have had this same feeling of immediate integration with...

That said,I should really get off my butt and try dialling in some of the sounds I make in D1 on D2

Introspective · Post by **Introspective** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:21 am

I have to agree that Dune (2 and 3) have some workflow challenges. If an oscillator sounds "off" to me, I have to mute them all in turn to figure out which one to edit. If I want to turn the reverb off--something I *always* do, since I prefer my own--I have to search TWO pages to find it, and it's not guaranteed to be in the same place. Etc, etc.

I found Dune 2 awkward enough to edit that I skipped Dune 3 entirely.

It would be "too bad," since it has nice sound, if it weren't for the fact that there are several other synths out there that inhabit the same sonic territory.

Not that I think Dune 2 is a "bad" synth or a bad choice for those who like it: it's a really good synth. ...Just not my cuppa.

Vortifex · Post by **Vortifex** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:24 am

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fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:58 am

it must be this forum... that some people are more invested in the workflow than in the sound. and no harm in that.

i make music for others to listen to, and will adapt to a plugin's GUI, whatever that takes, if it can give me a great sound... which dune 3 does.

whatever makes one happy

Vortifex · Post by **Vortifex** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:23 am

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clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:50 am

The difference of sound between Dune 1 and Dune 2 is huge and Dune 2 sounds great, I don't like the sound of Dune 1. But between Dune 2 and Dune 3 I'm still searching for reasons why I bought that upgrade

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:52 am

I don't find Dune 3's workflow bad in any way. You just have to spend time with it (as with any synth) for it to become second nature.

I've done several hundred patches for it so the workflow is lightning fast for me.

I agree superior sound is the most important thing. Workflow is a distant second.....

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:34 am

It's not about whether or not it becomes second nature, it's about how many hoops you are forced to jump through to complete any given task. (See Introspective's post above for a good example.) DUNE 3 makes you jump through more hoops than almost anything else I can think of. (Union is worse. Much worse when you think how simple the synth itself is, but that's the only one I can think of and it was only $10 or something.)

fisherKing wrote: Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:26 pmthat may be, but i don't find dune3 'difficult' in any way to work with.

Really? I can't think of a VSTi I dislike working with more than DUNE. It annoys the hell out of me, from the lack of a preset browser to the multiple windows for pretty much everything. It sounds amazing but it's a synth I would never think to add to a project, unless I knew exactly which one of my own patches I wanted to use, because I hate trying to find patches/presets and I hate making them in DUNE, too.

fisherKing wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:58 amit must be this forum... that some people are more invested in the workflow than in the sound. and no harm in that.
i make music for others to listen to, and will adapt to a plugin's GUI, whatever that takes, if it can give me a great sound... which dune 3 does.

It's not a case of either/or, earlier versions of DUNE also sound great. In fact, if you load a D2 patch into D3, it will sound exactly the same, so there is zero difference in sound quality between D2 and D3, AFAIK. The original DUNE is different, Rich had to break backwards-compatibility. I don't know that it sounds worse than D3 but if it does, it's still pretty damned good.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:57 am

Sorry, no "hoops to jump through" here. Dead simple, lightning fast. Does it make patches for you ? No, you actually have to put in some effort.

You mean this?

Introspective wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:21 am If I want to turn the reverb off--something I *always* do, since I prefer my own--I have to search TWO pages to find it,

OMG TWO PAGES ?

Maybe it's because Dune 3 has TWO FX Racks. What does it take, three seconds ?

I guess Dune 3 is just too much synth for some people.

Yorrrrrr · Post by **Yorrrrrr** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:02 am

Even though DUNE 3 is a multiple pages plugin, I still manage to work blazingly fast with it..

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:38 am

Vortifex wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:23 am Well you can emphasise that you make music for others to listen to as if that adds extra weight to your opinion, but I don't see why it matters. I mostly make music for fun, with the added bonus that sometimes other people listen to it. They won't know what I used, nor will they care that I might have suffered slightly for my art

not adding weight to my opinion, just making a statement. i guess some people make music to put out into the world, and others make music for themselves... and both things are valid.

i don't find dune3 to be difficult, but all plugins work differently; some just have a greater learning curve (cough*massive x*cough).

i use some dune2 sounds in 3, and all is well. i love this plugin, it sounds so good....

v1o · Post by **v1o** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:24 am

Viper sounds just as good as a Virus. The Model D sounds even better than the Virus.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:51 am

As long as you don't want to use any filter resonance, maybe, but the Model D's filter is garbage, just like all ladder filters.

Teksonik wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:57 amSorry, no "hoops to jump through" here. Dead simple, lightning fast. Does it make patches for you ? No, you actually have to put in some effort.

I'm sorry, Tek, but when you say stuff like that, which is obvious bullshit to anyone who has used the thing, it just makes you look like a blinkered fanboi. The hoops are there for everyone to see. I'll give you a simple example - you can only see one oscillator's controls at a time, so if you want to change a setting, you first have to click on the little button for the correct oscillator. If you only want to make a single change, that is literally twice as many steps as, say, Thorn. And even before you do that, you need to make sure you are working on the correct layer and you have to decide whether to work with all the layers on or whether you should maybe solo it while you work on that oscillator. Now it's 3 or 4 times as much effort as Thorn. Over the course of creating a patch, or even just editing one to work in a mix, you are going to have to perform maybe a hundred more actions. That is NOT "dead simple", it's an annoyance.

You mean this?

No, this - "If an oscillator sounds 'off' to me, I have to mute them all in turn to figure out which one to edit." That's a real frustration that I don't encounter in any other synth I use. Then add in your 3 seconds to find the right reverb to turn off and it all starts to add up.

I guess Dune 3 is just too much synth for some people.

It is certainly about 10 times more synth than I need so most of the time I find something else that gets the job done without so much hassle. Honestly, as good as it sounds I would never have bought DUNE if I'd had to and there are several people here who have found it frustrating enough that they have sold their license.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:51 am

fisherKing wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:58 am it must be this forum... that some people are more invested in the workflow than in the sound. and no harm in that.

i make music for others to listen to, and will adapt to a plugin's GUI, whatever that takes, if it can give me a great sound... which dune 3 does.

whatever makes one happy

Just because we were talking about workflow,doesn't imply that we don' t care about the sound quality....

I love the sound of both D1 and D2 and although D2 builds on the heritage of D1,the're different synths,so the sound is completely different...

I've tried to translate a few of my DUNE 1 sounds in D2 but they didn't really cut it,so I use them both

DUNE 2 is a beautiful sounding soft synth,but D1 is no slouch either !

I'll pick up the D3 upgrade at some stage because there are some new features that would be nice to have,but it wasn't a radical departure from D2 and shares most of the same DNA...

Thanks to Richard and the team for coding these truly inspiring instruments

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:50 am

Maybe developers today should start with version 10.0 and then go backwards until version 0.0.1

DUNE 3 is now available!!