why they love to hate logic

[egbert]

If you don't have Logic 7, would you please stop speculating on it's features, development cycle, value etc. I have 7, and I'm busy learning why your going to be sorry you don't have a Mac... PC software: 75% crap, 25% quality... MMac software: 90% quality, 10% PC conversions...

Awww -- did we say sumphing nasty about your pwesshuss?

I'll just go wash my mouth out with soap.

[kuniklo]

Care to elaborate on what you learnt so far then apart from being ripped off! If you are having to learn then it can't be that obvious. Has it helped you get a deal, sell a track for instance or is it a case of "mine does this, does yours".

Read my earlier posts about the new stuff in Logic 7. The short version is that I think Logic 7 combines the best features of the other hosts and adds a bunch of cool stuff on top.

[Improv]

Tell me that when your trying to recover your PC from the latest round of spyware, viruses, and porno/junk/adware...

If you are that concerned and that ignorant about security, don't even hook up your DAW to the internet. Many users advocate having no internet connection as part of maximizing DAW performance.

[egbert]

Tell me that when your trying to recover your PC from the latest round of spyware, viruses, and porno/junk/adware...

If you are that concerned and that ignorant about security, don't even hook up your DAW to the internet. Many users advocate having no internet connection as part of maximizing DAW performance.

Exactly - you can run your internet access on a PII or PIII - no problems at all. You can get a machine like that for the price of a 6 pack. I have never had any virus or security problems on my PC DAWs - ever. You are clutching at straws here DHR53 - PCs are cheap and fast and stable with WinXP. If you think Voxengo, Kjaerhus and RGC are crap well I can't really help you - you probably think Steve shits icecream too.

Eg

[Kingston]

I wasn't gonna get involved in this thread, but what the hell. As a logic 5.5.1 PC user all I can say is:

Emapple burn in hell!

[splattabreakz]

blah

[kuniklo]

the new additions sound tasty; networking system to eradicate cpu limitation, new audio edit modes, channel strip save and load, two greta looking synths.

dont really think its worht buying an mac just for that tho

I think this is really Apple's big disadvantage right now. Not only is their hardware more expensive, but most people already have a PC that's fast enough to get started with music. This makes the Apple solution that much more expensive.

If you're starting from scratch and looking to buy a high end system + software the price difference isn't as much of an issue.

[egbert]

I think this is really Apple's big disadvantage right now. Now only is their hardware more expensive, but most people already have a PC that's fast enough to get started with music. This makes the Apple solution that much more expensive.

If you're starting from scratch and looking to buy a high end system + software the price difference isn't as much of an issue.

True. The big Logic 7 bundle - synths, plugins, Convolution Reverb - is a pretty impressive one stop shop for a first time DAW buyer.

The downside? What proportion of people in this market are completely new to it - ie have no investment in software or hardware - even if it is just their wordprocessor and internet software?
And how many people with no existing computer music gear are going to spend 1000 US for software and pony up for the Mac G5 and a decent audio interface.

I'm guessing most people start with very modest investments in software when they are at highschool - putting something on their computer to record their guitar shredding or whatever.

Eg

[kuniklo]

The downside? What proportion of people in this market are completely new to it - ie have no investment in software or hardware - even if it is just their wordprocessor and internet software?
And how many people with no existing computer music gear are going to spend 1000 US for software and pony up for the Mac G5 and a decent audio interface.

Right. I agree this is a big problem for Apple. I've been considering moving to a Mac for over a year but I haven't until now because I have a perfectly fast PC already. I was going to wait another year or maybe even two and then just switch instead of upgrading to a newer PC but the new stuff in Logic 7 is just too tempting. It helps that most of the software I already have (Komplete, Albino, XPhraze, impOSCar, Oddity etc) is cross-platform.

I may still use my pc as a dedicated z3ta host if I can figure out a way to make it work without too much hassle.

[Kim Olesen]

Well thats pretty easy I use my pc as a "hardware synth" by means of minihost" And since logic can automate all midicc it's just knowing which is which.
Kim

[DHR53]

Hey Asshole... Considering I have been making a living as a Designer for 20 years, all on a Mac... Why wouldn't I have been using a PC all of this time? Hmmm... let's see, because they SUCKED for anything other than word processing and spread sheets! That's why... So now, you can finally do something with a PC other than fill up storage room shelves with them (and throw them in the ocean for artificial reefs) and "I should see the light"... Ha Ha! ...I'll try and "learnt" some more about that security you mentioned with my PCs, but in the mean time...

...what I've learned about Logic 7? ...I don't need a PC!

[jmh]

At least it's safe to say it's now a requirement to be a clueless wanker if one is going to defend one's use of Macs

Regards,

JMH

[original flipper]

HI

As an EX Logic PC user I was dreading the move - but 3 days into my SXV3 apprenticeship and I am becoming increasingly content.

A couple of points, it isn't pleasant changing host's - I am not talking about using several hosts and learning them all but specifically losing your MAIN host and having to learn another, LEARN is the operative word here - yes, there are quite intuitive host's where you can by default have a reasonable idea about how to use it (Orion was very easy to pick up and go - still needed to read some though) but programs like Logic, SX and sonar IMO require Leaning, if you expect to do anything more than scratch the surface.

I considered a move to the MAC as I am getting a new DAW but there are lot's of reasons why I have decided to stay on the PC - but this is a personal decision and if I won the lottery tomorrow I would buy a MAC/Logic combo without hesitation and have both platforms.

I still believe that MOST people who knock Logic have never really spent time learning it, if they had bothered to give it a fair crack - in 90% of cases they would stick with it; or otherwise be people who can't stick with anything - life is too short to f... around learning host's and synths 24/7 and once you get the hang of a program your 'Workflow/productivity' is rewarded.

I try not to hit out at programs too much simply because if your initial reaction is 'I don't like this' how will you ever move beyond that assumption, if indeed you only spent a couple of hours becoming invreasingly frustrated with a program that you had long decided was no use to you - then you never know any better.

It is only when you go through the 'pain' barrier and uncover the hidden depths and workings of a program that it's true usefullness will become apparent - for this reason - this thread is redundent.

Flipper.

[popsych]

the new additions sound tasty; networking system to eradicate cpu limitation, new audio edit modes, channel strip save and load, two greta looking synths.

dont really think its worht buying an mac just for that tho

I think this is really Apple's big disadvantage right now. Not only is their hardware more expensive, but most people already have a PC that's fast enough to get started with music. This makes the Apple solution that much more expensive.

If you're starting from scratch and looking to buy a high end system + software the price difference isn't as much of an issue.

Well that and the fact that the number of useful plugins not available for mac but available for pc is bigger than vice-versa.

networking system to eradicate cpu limitation, new audio edit modes, channel strip save and load, two greta looking synths.

And on that the big 3 (i.e cakewalk,steinberg,logic) should agree on making a cross-platform, cross-host system available. Now that would be COOOOOOOOOL.

[munchkin]

I'm going to do a course in Sonic Arts. Sounds pretentious? It is! But at least I get three years off work and time to concentrate on my music.

On the course they use Macs, MAX/MSP and Logic. I was taken on a tour of the facilities. The Macs were shown off with great pride. I was informed that by the time I start the course next September they will have upgraded the 50 odd Macs to dual G5's. I asked whether I would be able to use my PC software to create 'Sonic Arts'. I was told that Mac's are the 'professional' standard and if I wanted to develop as a 'Sonic Artist' I'd need to use them and the software that goes with them.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the type of snobbery and narrow mindedness that leads us PC users to tear a strip off of Emaple at every opportunity? In a world where 98% of computers have Windows this presents an amazing opportunity to create and share instruments and sounds for the purpose of Sonic Arts. But I am told I must learn a system that just 2% of Luddites cling to. This is because they have decided it is the so-called 'professional' system.

This is the up their own arses shite that really annoys me. And I take great pleasure in debunking this pretentious myth at every opportunity.