Behringer DAW - Serious discussion (please)
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- KVRist
- 48 posts since 27 Feb, 2019
Perhaps, and this is in all seriousness, it'll have a Mackie Control layout with all the functions in the correct places on the X-Touch. Dare to dream.
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- Banned
- 1792 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg
Competition enlivens the game.
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- KVRAF
- 2989 posts since 5 Nov, 2014
My exact guess too, from there they can go about making bunch of attractive hardware and software, knowing them it will be cheaper than competition, tbh I'm interested in all of that.vurt wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:40 pm it will probably intergrate with the wing and other future products, better than other daws will.
maybe theyre hoping "free daw" gets them in to the hands of new comers to the music world. then behringer are in their minds when looking at new purchases.
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- KVRAF
- 2608 posts since 26 Aug, 2002 from here
Behringer are all about making money and I have no real problem with this. The reason they stay in business is they make things people want to buy. They just employed a bunch of people from NI - and they don't make an MPC\Maschine\Push clone.
And while they could just make another push knock off controller it is probably makes more sense to make one that actually comes with a DAW - it increases perceived value, so they can charge more, and as long as it plays nice with other software (MIDI 2.0) people starting off know they can move onto other things when funds allow, which also increases perceived value.
And while they could just make another push knock off controller it is probably makes more sense to make one that actually comes with a DAW - it increases perceived value, so they can charge more, and as long as it plays nice with other software (MIDI 2.0) people starting off know they can move onto other things when funds allow, which also increases perceived value.
I believe every thread should devolve into character attacks and witch-burning. It really helps the discussion.
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- KVRist
- 264 posts since 25 Oct, 2008
Never mind a new D.A.W. can't anyone develop a new O.S. that doesn't f**k up your entire system everytime there's an update.
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- KVRist
- 124 posts since 28 Mar, 2007 from Scotland
Like the sound of multichannel out effects, none I have seem to support it, need the Pro version of Cubase even for it. There's workarounds to get to different speakers but not really feasible directly from plugins. Just grabbed DearVR Pro in PA sale so would enjoy it more in 3D, same with some existing reverbs, and some upcoming ones. Kinda hoping Spotify or SoundCloud add 5.1 or so if they haven't already to premium options to push it more for music. Surely can't be hard for DAWs to include?
For other DAWs I always hoped FL would make a free version for people with less cash/working in developing countries, but not sure if they are keen, my post on 3D recently was met with tumbleweed...
Is a DAW hard to make? A great sequencer with ultra user friendly piano roll, recording options, sound editor, great (surround/mid side/multi band) mixer, great UI, soundcard/MIDI controller support, low CPU and the best plugin support does seem difficult for everyone else. For a big company looking to build their brand and take in all new starts it's surely worth every penny they invest.
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- KVRian
- 872 posts since 25 Aug, 2006
I'm not a huge Berhinger fan but Uli didn't say it was DJ focused. Quote is "Our goal is to include the very best features available, including multiple user interfaces for both recording and DJ." Then he goes on say they have a blank canvas to work with and don't have to stick to making a traditional DAW.
This may be a great time to make a new DAW if only because all of the normally expected features have already been conceived. All they have to do is grab the ones they want to use and implement them on a new UI.
I'm not saying this will be easy,. But it's like someone already invented chocolate and someone else already invented peanut butter, all the next guy had to do was come up with a way to combine them.
This may be a great time to make a new DAW if only because all of the normally expected features have already been conceived. All they have to do is grab the ones they want to use and implement them on a new UI.
I'm not saying this will be easy,. But it's like someone already invented chocolate and someone else already invented peanut butter, all the next guy had to do was come up with a way to combine them.
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- KVRAF
- 2990 posts since 13 Apr, 2008 from Charleston, SC
A free DAW always sounds like a good idea. But in the end, some of the nicest DAWs that cost money go on sale cheap enough, and they are tested, tried, and work well out of the box.
It will be hard to offer extended support on a free DAW, not that paid DAWs have great technical support, but at least it is there for the most part. It obviously will not offer anything new. I doubt they will gain much share of the market despite the free aspect.
It is a confusing move for sure. But it will be whatever it is, and it will be free.
It will be hard to offer extended support on a free DAW, not that paid DAWs have great technical support, but at least it is there for the most part. It obviously will not offer anything new. I doubt they will gain much share of the market despite the free aspect.
It is a confusing move for sure. But it will be whatever it is, and it will be free.
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- KVRist
- 41 posts since 22 Sep, 2019
Behringer produces a lot of budget gear aimed at beginner musicians. If they can make it cheaper and easier to start making music by releasing a free beginner friendly DAW, they could increase the number of potential customers that would go on to buy their audio interfaces, mixerboards etc. For this reason I would expect this DAW to be something along the line of Garageband in terms of features and complexity, at least initially. If it's successful, they could then go on to release a professional version that costs money.
While DAWs are obviously complex pieces of software, I think using modern development frameworks such as JUCE makes the development significantly easier. Just look at Unify. It's made with JUCE and is halfway towards being a DAW, with plugin hosting, routing and mixing, and that was made by a single developer in less than a year. If you added a timeline, piano roll and audio recording you would already have something that would be useful for a beginner. If Behringer has a decent sized team of programmers with experience of making audio software (such as the Native Instrument veterans mentione before), it doesn't seem unreasonable that they could pull it off.
While DAWs are obviously complex pieces of software, I think using modern development frameworks such as JUCE makes the development significantly easier. Just look at Unify. It's made with JUCE and is halfway towards being a DAW, with plugin hosting, routing and mixing, and that was made by a single developer in less than a year. If you added a timeline, piano roll and audio recording you would already have something that would be useful for a beginner. If Behringer has a decent sized team of programmers with experience of making audio software (such as the Native Instrument veterans mentione before), it doesn't seem unreasonable that they could pull it off.
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- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 22 May, 2017
$$$ (or £££ if ya like)
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- KVRAF
- 2140 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA
Turn off or ignore updates. Most are completely unnecessary. If your system is stable, leave it alone.devilnishy wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:50 pm Never mind a new D.A.W. can't anyone develop a new O.S. that doesn't f**k up your entire system everytime there's an update.
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- KVRist
- 70 posts since 6 Mar, 2012 from Ohio
PreSonus has had a strategy coming together with Studio One and their Studio Live mixers that is close to bearing fruit.
Behringer may be following this same strategy with new DAW being beautifully integrated with Wing.
Behringer may be following this same strategy with new DAW being beautifully integrated with Wing.
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- KVRAF
- 9146 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
They didn't buy energyXT some years ago? I remember something like that! So, maybe they meant it? Oh no! I see now that energyXT has its website!
Well, I'm not interested in Behringer products or DAW, but certainly I'm going to demo the cute DAW now (energyXT)! I completely forgot about it! Oh well, thank you Behringer. I might buy energyXT
(any current thread about it?). Sorry off topic (slightly!).
Well, I'm not interested in Behringer products or DAW, but certainly I'm going to demo the cute DAW now (energyXT)! I completely forgot about it! Oh well, thank you Behringer. I might buy energyXT
(any current thread about it?). Sorry off topic (slightly!).Using: Cubase Pro 15, Reason 13, Tascam US-4x4HR, MODX6, DM12D, LaunchKey 49, Yamaha guitar(Pacifica 612v) and bass (BB234) and some virtual instruments and synths.
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- KVRAF
- 2140 posts since 16 Jan, 2013 from USA
UA created Luna to have a DAW that works more closely with its unison stuff and DSPs. No doubt to try and sell even more hardware and plugins.
Behringer likely sees similar financial possibilities as well.
But I also think both companies probably think they can do better. Maybe they can.
Behringer likely sees similar financial possibilities as well.
But I also think both companies probably think they can do better. Maybe they can.