KVR Audio

jacqueslacouth · Post by **jacqueslacouth** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:47 am

There has been a few mention going the Hardware route. I have and would never look back. Yes, it is a helluva lot more expensive. Yes, it imposes limitations (well sort of, but so does software in its own way). BUT, it is mine, it will stay mine unless I sell it and nobody is going to send me an email telling me that it is going to stop working, or if I move into another studio I can't take it with me. On top of all that, it looks cool, it inspires me and it is so much damn fun!

I still have a shit load of VSTi on my computer, but basically never open them these days. They will sit there gathering virtual dust until Apple forces some shit upon me that kills them or the developer decides to shut up shop (or sell out to Apple).

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:20 am

MadDogE134 wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:30 pm i can understand not wishing to support and work on 32bit but to not activate sample libraries? reckon they are trying to force people to buy into their new offerings all to keep the coffers filled. i have to agree with Tek... done with NI with this move. not that they are hurting me per se but they ARE hurting other customers by this action imo makes no sense to NOT activate a sample library they no longer sell. audio files don't go bad and do not need constant updating. now if it is a 'player' required item maybe... but i think some of those libraries can STILL be used inside Kontakt 6. not good turning their backs on past customers

It makes perfect sense. They have a greater vision about improving the overall state of music and sound quality. Stop using those old samples, there's much better when there's better and higher resolution ones around. Folks, it's 2020 and time to stop making that lo-fi 8-bit music.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:13 am

jacqueslacouth wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:47 am There has been a few mention going the Hardware route. I have and would never look back. Yes, it is a helluva lot more expensive. Yes, it imposes limitations (well sort of, but so does software in its own way). BUT, it is mine, it will stay mine unless I sell it and nobody is going to send me an email telling me that it is going to stop working, or if I move into another studio I can't take it with me. On top of all that, it looks cool, it inspires me and it is so much damn fun!

I still have a shit load of VSTi on my computer, but basically never open them these days. They will sit there gathering virtual dust until Apple forces some shit upon me that kills them or the developer decides to shut up shop (or sell out to Apple).

Well, I have a very good software and hardware controllers setup now. I depend on NI more than 50% on both, so it's not easy for me to abandon all this especially the 2nd hand market in NZ is really weak, so I will loose at least 70% of the value if I want to sell the controllers.

Anyway, if I decide on the hardware, then it won't be that expensive really. I think NZ$3000 will cover me plenty as I just need a Yamaha MODX and a ms-20 synths for all my music (I have a good Digital Piano already). Only acoustic drums will be supplied by a drums library from my PC and I'm good to go with any DAW

shkr · Post by **shkr** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:28 am

Based on the consensus I learned from reading the Genesis Pro thread I must say it is a very good move from NI to stop supporting a decade old software!

And thanks to their "challenge/response/internet activation" tech NI can execute it quite successfully and make all people living in the past and using ancient soft to finally progress!

Good job NI! Keep up the good work!

jacqueslacouth · Post by **jacqueslacouth** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:04 am

EnGee wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:13 am
Anyway, if I decide on the hardware, then it won't be that expensive really. I think NZ$3000 will cover me plenty as I just need a Yamaha MODX and a ms-20 synths for all my music (I have a good Digital Piano already). Only acoustic drums will be supplied by a drums library from my PC and I'm good to go with any DAW

Actually, you make a very good point. When I look at my hardware setup these days I am pretty content and am far less prone to impulse buys or constantly waiting for the next shiny thing to arrive...In actual fact, I have probably spent more on software and sample libraries over the years (an awful lot of which basically never gets used) than I have on my hardware, which pretty much, all gets used, all the time.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:30 am

I think I would have spent a lot of money on Kontakt samples if I were into orchestral or/and ethnic music or sounds, but luckily I'm into synth sounds (FM or Digital mostly). Anyway, I find the samples that comes with Komplete are good except the piano as I prefer my Casio sounds more!

Luckily I'm very satisfied with XLN Audio Addictive Drums sound that I don't feel any need for other acoustic library. So all in all, yes I believe hardware can stop the GAS for software, but anyway I have discovered that GAS is shifting!

After some shifting from soft synths to video games, now it shifted to watches!! I'm so broke now that I can't buy anything else because I'm saving for the next watch!

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:54 am

That's a shame. While the lack of support for products which got a new version is understandable, removing activation for owned and discontinued product is a theft.

Still, as a new customer, I don't quite care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:08 am

First they came for the old customers, but I didn't give a f**k because....

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:10 am

... they never had a penny from me....

clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:11 am

That's no problem, a few years ago, I bought many of their plugins, but meanwhile never use it and I don't use Kontakt Librarys anymore, because so far I never got Kontakt running without problems on different systems. And I displaced the WAVs from the sample collections and from Battery, too, and mapped them to other plugins.

But to be fair, they'll discontinued really old versions of their stuff!

imrae · Post by **imrae** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:14 am

I love that the only people in this thread defending NI... are joking.

There's usually more blind fandom / suspect accounts around, but this one just doesn't seem worth defending?

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:21 am

AnX wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:10 am ... they never had a penny from me....

Just here to gloat then? Gotcha, nice.

enroe · Post by **enroe** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:26 am

AKJ wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:08 pm Looking at the list: even sampling libraries are affected. I got and use some of them. This is a shame!!!

Yeah, but this is a danger you will have with any protected proprietary software.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:42 am

Just as an FYI - only today rememebered that my copy of East West's Stormdrum 1 is activated by Native Access, not Service Center. Which means - oh yes - NI are spending man hours to actively take people's products away from them.

It's not natural obscalesence / laziness / efficiency, it's costing them time and money to remove something that currently works.

Calenberger · Post by **Calenberger** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:51 am

revvy wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:21 am
AnX wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:10 am ... they never had a penny from me....
Just here to gloat then? Gotcha, nice.

Oops! Perhaps the guys making the biggest wave now have been the smallest customers pennywise

The dogs are barking and the caravan moves on.

NI have announced they will no longer activate discontinued products