KVR Audio

dreamvoid · Post by **dreamvoid** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:51 pm

SirkusPi wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:06 pm (Emphasis added.) This. 100% this. This is why the whole situation is so infuriating, and why I will never trust VPS or make a purchase from them again.

Exactly. They lost me too as a customer (who spend a lot in one year for software and plug ins). Furthermore if I get asked by a colleague for example, I can't honestly recommend their products, except I want to produce foes. I would say the sound quality is great, but they tend to boss their customers around and aren't predictable in their behaviour towards legit users.
This is NOT a minor issue. Because if that is not punished back by closing the wallet, other vendors may think they go away with this too. Imagine we have to deal with this kind of dongle dancing re-authorisation nonsense with a dozens of plug in makers! This is totally unacceptable.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:55 pm

Again Manuel, I think the reason why people are heated here and yet - relatively - Nexus gets off lightly is that the Nexus CP is essentially invisible for online working. If you folks can get the Codemeter thing reliably to be zero clicks, refreshing in the background each time the computer is launched, zero hassles or glitches, much of this arguing will go away, and the 90 day thing is a useful bonus over Nexus.

BTW I'm still holding off VMAN until I hear that those who had Avenger bricked by it have had their issues resolved - then I'll get that Synthwave 2 expansion too

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:08 pm

If you folks can get the Codemeter thing reliably to be zero clicks, refreshing in the background each time the computer is launched, zero hassles or glitches, much of this arguing will go away, and the 90 day thing is a useful bonus over Nexus.

Yes this is planned, I hope Rene will be able to get it to this. Unfortunately I am no coder at all, so I have really no idea about the technical background and restrictions.

half-baken keyfile system in the first place

I was told its good by Rene. If someone knew what will happen in advance it would have not been released before it would have been fixed. Unfortunetely you cant know which backdoors someone may find who really tries. It lasted 2 years however, which is not bad at all for a self coded system by 1 man. Nexus even had been cracked with eLicenser years ago. This protection has been designed over years by an entire team...

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:20 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:55 pm Again Manuel, I think the reason why people are heated here and yet - relatively - Nexus gets off lightly is that the Nexus CP is essentially invisible for online working. ........

Plus at least Manuel shows himself around him and participates... I am not sure Michael does or has.

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msvs · Post by **msvs** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:34 pm

however it didnt do any harm to Nexus' success. It also dont for Avenger. I only appear here from time to time, because I love Avenger that much. Even if I am only half the party, and basically the wrong one to blame for technical problems.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:02 pm

Indeed. Kvr is not the world.
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clipnotic · Post by **clipnotic** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:52 am

msvs wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:55 pm Apart from the financial loss, buyers literally flooded us with mails to STOP the warez immediately. They said they paid and dont want to see it for free. There were even more stresful than the CodeMeter haters

So, if enough buyers would stress you to remove Codemeter, you would do?

Warez are shit but not preventable and that crack idiots will get every copy protection hacked. And this is a problem with every software and films, games, music ... And for example, I have some Blu-Rays, which are not running on my players because their copy protection protects them 100%.

Raphie · Post by **Raphie** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:10 am

They should rename it Nexus30

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:16 am

Hey guys, can you clarify:

does v-man means codemeter will go away or not? the application reminds me a little bit what Kilohearts is doing with its installer.

m-ac · Post by **m-ac** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:34 am

The CP is what it is, I can live with it. Please tell Rene to spend his precious time improving cpu use instead. No more new features, we have more than we'd ever need, just improve the cpu use! I get overloads with 1 key pressed on some of the new synthwave presets, and my machine is far from obsolete - mac pro trashcan 3.6 6-core, buffer set at 256 (only 256 because of avenger, I use 128 otherwise), and it still kills my machine

carlosigls · Post by **carlosigls** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:00 am

m-ac wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:34 am The CP is what it is, I can live with it. Please tell Rene spend his precious time improving cpu use instead. No more new features, we have more than we'd ever need, just improve the cpu use! I get overloads with 1 key pressed on some of the new synthwave presets, and my machine is far from obselete - mac pro trashcan 3.6 6-core, buffer set at 256 (only 256 because of avenger, I use 128 otherwise), and it still kills my machine

+1 That is what they should do and not so much expansion.

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:21 pm

Elektronisch wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:16 am Hey guys, can you clarify:

does v-man means codemeter will go away or not? the application reminds me a little bit what Kilohearts is doing with its installer.

No it is an app, that allows easier access to some of the functions on the register vps website.
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msvs · Post by **msvs** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:45 pm

So, if enough buyers would stress you to remove Codemeter, you would do?

no. Even if there would be 100 here in this board (where we are far away from, its more like 10) we have thousands on the other side, who are happy.

+1 That is what they should do and not so much expansion.

Like I said, I am no programmer. So if MY time goes into designing a expansions, this do not affect ANY time of Rene going into something technical related.

Please tell Rene to spend his precious time improving cpu use instead

According to Rene, there is physically no more room. 100saws take X cpu, thats a nature law, according to him. Furthermore having visualized aids and having EVERYTHING ready for being modulated has its price. I think its much more the preset design, than the plugin itself. You can make a patch using 100%cpu and almost the same patch whith 10%, just by designing it differently. Our expansion packs are optimized by me personally for the best CPU consumption possible. (routing, voice limits, envelope limits, reducing of unneccessary voicings, grouping of oscs etc...) But I saw 3rd party preset, who seemed to not care about this at all.

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:15 pm

msvs wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:45 pm According to Rene, there is physically no more room. 100saws take X cpu, thats a nature law, according to him. Furthermore having visualized aids and having EVERYTHING ready for being modulated has its price. I think its much more the preset design, than the plugin itself. You can make a patch using 100%cpu and almost the same patch whith 10%, just by designing it differently. Our expansion packs are optimized by me personally for the best CPU consumption possible. (routing, voice limits, envelope limits, reducing of unneccessary voicings, grouping of oscs etc...) But I saw 3rd party preset, who seemed to not care about this at all.

msvs, I am sorry to disagree here with you. You are an extremely good sound designer and Rene for sure is a programmer with impressive skills. But on macos, Avenger produces CPU spikes a lot, even on presets, which do not use a lot of OSCs. You can watch this yourself e.g. in Bitwig performance monitor, which will draw a cpu usage graph over time. A percentage display is inaccurate here.

And if you compare this to really any other plugin, you will notice that no other plugin produces such spikes in a realtime calculation scenario like audio DSP. This is for a good reason: Even if it spikes just for a millisecond, and the spike easily will sum up with other plugins and/or vps avenger, instances, it will cause an audio dropout, since all what matters is the maximum cpu usage over the audio buffer time.

So I would say there is a design flaw in your code currently. I am very sure that Rene is capable of fixing this, but you still prefer to ignore these facts. I really have no idea why.

If VPS avenger would behave more normally, just like any other plugin, it would also become even much more attractive to users AND expansion producers.

Also I really can't understand why you limit the registration time to 3 months. So every three months, I have to re-register on all the machines I installed it to. This is pretty annoying. Why it is not 1 year? Does it make cracking more hard really?

Also did you see that there already was a crack of a codemeter plugin? I do not wish this on you guys, but I guess, this is again a fight against windmills. It will be cracked again, and then what? Will you waste another half year of development time just to implement the next super, duper, "uncrackable" protection again? Isn't there a better concept to handle this problem? How do the vendors survive which do not use so a massive protection scheme?

msvs · Post by **msvs** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:26 pm

@Hans: then write this to him, not me pls.

Also did you see that there already was a crack of a codemeter plugin?

no there wasnt. Avenger is not affected.

And yes, if it would get cracked we would starting with another, more safer system. Its an endless war, but to give up, would mean to discontinue Avenger, since all the time we would put it would not pay off any more. And I am not willing to do.

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