Behringer DAW - Serious discussion (please)

[rmacattack]

Behringer won't even come close to Presonus's ecosystem or even Native Instruments. I bet most on here buy more NI, Presonus hardware vs Behringer.

[rmacattack]

Behringer produces a lot of budget gear aimed at beginner musicians. If they can make it cheaper and easier to start making music by releasing a free beginner friendly DAW, they could increase the number of potential customers that would go on to buy their audio interfaces, mixerboards etc. For this reason I would expect this DAW to be something along the line of Garageband in terms of features and complexity, at least initially. If it's successful, they could then go on to release a professional version that costs money.

While DAWs are obviously complex pieces of software, I think using modern development frameworks such as JUCE makes the development significantly easier. Just look at Unify. It's made with JUCE and is halfway towards being a DAW, with plugin hosting, routing and mixing, and that was made by a single developer in less than a year. If you added a timeline, piano roll and audio recording you would already have something that would be useful for a beginner. If Behringer has a decent sized team of programmers with experience of making audio software (such as the Native Instrument veterans mentione before), it doesn't seem unreasonable that they could pull it off.

It's audio interfaces, studio monitors are terrible.

[darsho]

I use a Behringer Audio Interface and am quite happy with it.

I know of quite some users in the hardware synth community (another forum than this one) use Behringers 18 Input Audio Interface.

While I don't think us users of established DAWs are the target group for a Music Tribe DAW, there is a new generation of musicians each year chosing their first DAW.

Behringer has tons of code for software audio effects already with Klark Teknik and tc electronic, they just need to make VSTs of those.

Basically their digital Mixers like Wing and X32 are Audio DAWs in a dedicated hardware. If they get these to run on PC and Mac, they are already halfway there.

I don't need a new DAW, so I will just watch with curiosity what they are coming up with.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Serious discussion? No problem! Perhaps someone could point me to the thread where I can make a joke about how the gui will be the first to be based on faux-cork

[revvy]

Are cork sniffers (checked spelling couple of times there) welcome to use this DAW?

[dellboy]

It's audio interfaces, studio monitors are terrible.

I have a Behringer UMC 204 HD and its great.

Very solid build with good preamps - midi in out - Win 10 drivers, and a further set of inputs at the rear which I use to patch in another synth. It does everything I need at a bargain price, and much better than the M-audio interface that I had before.

[burnt circuit]

Are cork sniffers (checked spelling couple of times there) welcome to use this DAW?

Only adult sniffers with a sense of humor that don't have a case of the dramatic defensive confusion syndrome... D.D.C.S. it's even worse then the Corona Flu.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

It's audio interfaces, studio monitors are terrible.

I have a Behringer UMC 204 HD and its great.

Very solid build with good preamps - midi in out - Win 10 drivers, and a further set of inputs at the rear which I use to patch in another synth. It does everything I need at a bargain price, and much better than the M-audio interface that I had before.

I've heard good things about these interfaces. What kinds of RTL figures are you getting?

[machinesworking]

Behringer won't even come close to Presonus's ecosystem or even Native Instruments. I bet most on here buy more NI, Presonus hardware vs Behringer.

I don't buy any of this brands currently, but I've owned NI and Behringer hardware in the past. I'll never buy NI hardware again, maybe Behringer, depends.

AFA the DAW, I don't really see the point. I think people are nailing it in this thread though, it's very possibly going to come out with ancillary hardware that's temptingly integrated with it. Something on the lines of Push 2 or Komplete keyboards.

I would rather see a company come out and buy one of the DAWs out there, and dump a shit ton of money into it getting it as bug free as possible, and feature rich as they come. I mean why hasn't a company come out and mapped all major controllers to it's DAW? integrated all formats, talked to all VSTs for preset management, incorporated all standards etc. I've got 5 DAWs on the computer here and 5 controllers, the relationship to controllers is all over the place, just nuts. Reaper, Live and Akai MPC talk to the MPK88. Logic, DP10 and Bitwig do not. Bitwig, Reaper and Live talk to Push 2, Logic and DP10 do not. Logic, DP, and Live talk to the Slate Raven, Bitwig and Reaper do not. I could go on.. MPE is supported by 3 out of 5, Sysex is supported by 3 out of 5, Ableton Link is 3 out of 5 etc. etc.

[Jim Rosebrook]

Behringer won't even come close to Presonus's ecosystem or even Native Instruments. I bet most on here buy more NI, Presonus hardware vs Behringer.

I don't buy any of this brands currently, but I've owned NI and Behringer hardware in the past. I'll never buy NI hardware again, maybe Behringer, depends.

AFA the DAW, I don't really see the point. I think people are nailing it in this thread though, it's very possibly going to come out with ancillary hardware that's temptingly integrated with it. Something on the lines of Push 2 or Komplete keyboards.

You've sworn off of NI.. BUT.. the closest thing to the synergy you're looking for is:

Studio One + Faderport + Komplete Kontrol....

This combo might have the best chance to become the integrated system that you want.

And if AVB makes its way into the PreSonus Quantum interfaces... extra synergy ahead..

[machinesworking]

You've sworn off of NI.. BUT.. the closest thing to the synergy you're looking for is:

Studio One + Faderport + Komplete Kontrol....

This combo might have the best chance to become the integrated system that you want.

And if AVB makes its way into the PreSonus Quantum interfaces... extra synergy ahead..

You're not at all getting my point.
I get fantastic synergy with Bitwig and Push 2, Roli Rise 49, etc. etc.
Plenty of good combinations, the fact is though, most DAWs fall short on supporting all controllers, all synce formats, etc.

It's easy enough to stay in the 'range' of a DAW, etc. but it's crazy to me that DAW manufacturers don't for the most part actively look to support all control surfaces out there. It can't be that hard, Möss does it from what I can tell, for free for a dozen controllers, and two DAWs, Bitwig and Reaper. If some manufacturer paid someone to do what Möss does for all the controllers out there, that would be great.

Live and Cubase come the closest, but Möss IMO does nicer work for Bitwig and Reaper than those companies do.

[burnt circuit]

but it's crazy to me that DAW manufacturers don't for the most part actively look to support all control surfaces out there.

MIDI 2.0 should help in the future...

MIDI 2.0 Means Two-way MIDI Conversations

MIDI 1.0 messages went in one direction: from a transmitter to a receiver. MIDI 2.0 is bi-directional and changes MIDI from a monologue to a dialog. For example, with the new MIDI-CI (Capability Inquiry) messages, MIDI 2.0 devices can talk to each other, and auto-configure themselves to work together. They can also exchange information on functionality, which is key to backward compatibility—MIDI 2.0 gear can find out if a device doesn't support MIDI 2.0, and then simply communicate using MIDI 1.0.

Higher Resolution, More Controllers and Better Timing

To deliver an unprecedented level of nuanced musical and artistic expressiveness, MIDI 2.0 re-imagines the role of performance controllers, the aspect of MIDI that translates human performance gestures to data computers can understand. Controllers are now easier to use, and there are more of them: over 32,000 controllers, including controls for individual notes. Enhanced, 32-bit resolution gives controls a smooth, continuous, "analog" feel. New Note-On options were added for articulation control and precise note pitch. In addition, dynamic response (velocity) has been upgraded. What's more, major timing improvements in MIDI 2.0 can apply to MIDI 1.0 devices—in fact, some MIDI 1.0 gear can even "retrofit" certain MIDI 2.0 features.

Profile Configuration

MIDI gear can now have Profiles that can dynamically configure a device for a particular use case. If a control surface queries a device with a "mixer" Profile, then the controls will map to faders, panpots, and other mixer parameters. But with a "drawbar organ" Profile, that same control surface can map its controls automatically to virtual drawbars and other keyboard parameters—or map to dimmers if the profile is a lighting controller. This saves setup time, improves workflow, and eliminates tedious manual programming.

Property Exchange

While Profiles set up an entire device, Property Exchange messages provide specific, detailed information sharing. These messages can discover, retrieve, and set many properties like preset names, individual parameter settings, and unique functionalities—basically, everything a MIDI 2.0 device needs to know about another MIDI 2.0 device. For example, your recording software could display everything you need to know about a synthesizer onscreen, effectively bringing hardware synths up to the same level of recallability as their software counterparts.

Built for the Future.

MIDI 2.0 is the result of a global, decade-long development effort. Unlike MIDI 1.0, which was initially tied to a specific hardware implementation, a new Universal MIDI Packet format makes it easy to implement MIDI 2.0 on any digital transport (like USB or Ethernet). To enable future applications that we can't envision today, there's ample space reserved for brand-new MIDI messages.

Further development of the MIDI specification, as well as safeguards to ensure future compatibility and growth, will continue to be managed by the MIDI Manufacturers Association working in close cooperation with the Association of Musical Electronics Industry (AMEI), the Japanese trade association that oversees the MIDI specification in Japan.

MIDI will continue to serve musicians, DJs, producers, educators, artists, and hobbyists—anyone who creates, performs, learns, and shares music and artistic works—in the decades to come.

https://www.midi.org/articles-old/detai ... y-exchange

[ashh]

When is MIDI 2.0 going to be adopted? Never mind, it looks like that happened at NAMM. When do we get to buy stuff that uses it?

[charmcitymusic]

You've sworn off of NI.. BUT.. the closest thing to the synergy you're looking for is:

Studio One + Faderport + Komplete Kontrol....

This combo might have the best chance to become the integrated system that you want.

And if AVB makes its way into the PreSonus Quantum interfaces... extra synergy ahead..

You're not at all getting my point.
I get fantastic synergy with Bitwig and Push 2, Roli Rise 49, etc. etc.
Plenty of good combinations, the fact is though, most DAWs fall short on supporting all controllers, all synce formats, etc.

It's easy enough to stay in the 'range' of a DAW, etc. but it's crazy to me that DAW manufacturers don't for the most part actively look to support all control surfaces out there. It can't be that hard, Möss does it from what I can tell, for free for a dozen controllers, and two DAWs, Bitwig and Reaper. If some manufacturer paid someone to do what Möss does for all the controllers out there, that would be great.

Live and Cubase come the closest, but Möss IMO does nicer work for Bitwig and Reaper than those companies do.

So what are the benefits of producing music with Maschine/Komplete Kontrol vs Push 2 and bitwig? How much control do you have from the push 2 controller to control Bitwigs Arranger view like Maschine/ Atom with Komplete Kontrol etc.

[dionenoid]

https://www.musicradar.com/news/its-off ... st-plugins

From Facebook :

It’s now official. We will be creating our own Music Tribe DAW.
This is a massive undertaking, which will take at least 18 months and for that purpose we have now assembled a large development team.
Our Music Tribe DAW will also include samples and VST’s plus connections to third party VST’s. Our goal is to include the very best features available, including multiple user interfaces for both recording and DJ.
We would love to develop this together with you and hence encourage you to share your preferred platforms and features so we can consider your input. Our opportunity is that we have no legacy platform to maintain, which will allow us to think “blue sky” and combine the “best of all worlds”.

Best of all, the DAW will be FREE of charge! Our goal is to empower all musicians to record, mix, edit and publish their music.
We have also recently launched our Music Tribe Market Place where you can buy and sell gear for free. Check out www.freemusictribe.com

As always thank you so much for all your support and loyalty.