KVR Audio

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:49 pm

Logic and Live run all my plugs well, as far as I can tell i.e with plugs I actually use.

But to answer your question then no, on neither Mac or PC is there a bug-free DAW.

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:55 pm

Usually, a complex mac software like a DAW breaks because of Apple updates. Also no software is bugfree / perfect. But this is the real problem with the macos platform. A software under windows would never ever break. Ok, sometimes a OS vendor should cut the antiquated traditions, but Apple usually does not do this by logical improvement, instead they do to negatively force people to fit to their very fluctuating, recent standards. Usually, a non-cross-platform standard makes no sense anymore these days, but Apple simply ignores such simple logic.

In the end, macos versions are a lot of extra effort for cross-platform devs, and may get unusable, unstable or simply broken every new year, due Apple's nonsense OS update politics.

So if you care for a very stable DAW system, which still will run in 10 years, do not use macos.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:10 pm

Michael L wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:39 pm
dupont wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:25 amMost of the time, third party plugins crashes DAW.
Quite true, but unpredictable.
For example, I opened a simple, recently-updated and Catalina-compatible plugin (iZotope Vocal Doubler) in four hosts under OSX Mojave. It ran fine in one (VST), crashed two (VST and AU), and had a half-blank GUI in one (AU). Every plugin I own will run fine in at least one host, but no host will run them all. Thus I was wondering if there was "One DAW to Rule Them All" or if this erratic OSX compatibility is an endless game of Whack-a-Mole.

Did it ever cross your mind that's a problem of Catalina?

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:48 pm

fmr wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:10 pm
Michael L wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:39 pm
dupont wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:25 amMost of the time, third party plugins crashes DAW.
Quite true, but unpredictable.
For example, I opened a simple, recently-updated and Catalina-compatible plugin (iZotope Vocal Doubler) in four hosts under OSX Mojave. It ran fine in one (VST), crashed two (VST and AU), and had a half-blank GUI in one (AU). Every plugin I own will run fine in at least one host, but no host will run them all. Thus I was wondering if there was "One DAW to Rule Them All" or if this erratic OSX compatibility is an endless game of Whack-a-Mole.
Did it ever cross your mind that's a problem of Catalina?

Fernando, he literally said he is running Mojave.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:05 pm

Hanz Meyzer wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:55 pm Usually, a complex mac software like a DAW breaks because of Apple updates. Also no software is bugfree / perfect. But this is the real problem with the macos platform. A software under windows would never ever break. Ok, sometimes a OS vendor should cut the antiquated traditions, but Apple usually does not do this by logical improvement, instead they do to negatively force people to fit to their very fluctuating, recent standards. Usually, a non-cross-platform standard makes no sense anymore these days, but Apple simply ignores such simple logic.

In the end, macos versions are a lot of extra effort for cross-platform devs, and may get unusable, unstable or simply broken every new year, due Apple's nonsense OS update politics.

So if you care for a very stable DAW system, which still will run in 10 years, do not use macos.

You have no clue, but this is typical KVR drivel so understandable.

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:07 pm

Why do you think I have no clue? I am using mac systems since 2006, and actually know quite a lot about the OS structure. What makes you an expert again?

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:20 pm

Hanz Meyzer wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:07 pm Why do you think I have no clue? I am using mac systems since 2006, and actually know quite a lot about the OS structure. What makes you an expert again?

Because if you expect your Windows system to be running modern software 10 years from now without issues, you are crazy. Furthermore, recent Windows updates have not exactly been great. Mac updates, so far, have not deleted your documents.

There is no doubt that Catalina is Apple's Vista moment. But note that Apple's Vista moment is named after a version of Windows.

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:22 pm

Double post.

teilo · Post by **teilo** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:22 pm

Damn flaky internet.

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:35 pm

If you say so...

StellarSamples · Post by **StellarSamples** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:52 pm

macOS Catalina here, I still use Ableton Live 8 and it works really well. It's fast and stable, even faster than my trusty Cockos Reaper.

Winstontaneous · Post by **Winstontaneous** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:42 pm

Ironically Logic is the least stable host for me (Mojave, MBP 2012).
Good thing Apple didn't invent the AU standard or I'd be really concerned.

Bitwig has completely frozen a couple times (even with sandboxing).
Ableton Live 10 crashes with some regularity.
Reason 10 is the most stable for me.

Calenberger · Post by **Calenberger** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:58 pm

Do you really get rid of these sweet small animals?

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tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:30 pm

drdriller wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:03 am
Forgotten wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:45 pm
drdriller wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:42 pm time to switch to windows
How will that help? Windows software is not inherently more stable than on a Mac, and OS updates on Windows can break installed software.
i've never seen a windows update generally breaking plugins compatibility, i've you already read a official announcement from a plugins company for not updating to any windows version ?

The only issue I've ever had with windows and DAW's was 32/64 While I'm mostly 64 bit these days I still have some vst gems in 32 bit format. Regardless jBridge cures all for me.

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:43 pm

Hanz Meyzer wrote: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:55 pmIn the end, macos versions are a lot of extra effort for cross-platform devs, and may get unusable, unstable or simply broken every new year, due to Apple's nonsense OS update politics.

This is the underlying problem, without question. I am just wondering if any DAW developers have found a way to manage this nonsense and create an unusually stable host.

Bug-free Mac DAW?