NI have announced they will no longer activate discontinued products

[TabSel]

innovation died with Schmitt leaving NI 2011.
Wonder how NI survived nearly a decade since.

[JerGoertz]

Sorry, the post was addressed to AnX. It was a bit misunderstandable.

Ah, no worries.

[bharris22]

I have Komplete 12, as well as many other NI sample libraries and other products I have purchased over the years. I started with Komplete 5, and have installed B4 and Pro-53 from that version on a couple of small 32 bit tablets I own, as well as Bandstand. I find that the 32 bit tablet is a great way to have some music-making capabilities on the go, and the underpowered Windows tablet runs older music software just fine (plus, it is very cheap). There doesn't seem to be any reason why NI should prevent me from installing these products (or any others that I have licenses for) on any hardware that I own today or in the future. As many here have said, I would not expect to obtain support for those products if I run into issues, but I would expect to be able to use the software for as long as I own the license.

[chk071]

innovation died with Schmitt leaving NI 2011.
Wonder how NI survived nearly a decade since.

Funnily, they are the biggest player in the business, just like in 2011.

Not that this is a exception, people always want to talk down Microsoft as well. And then they become the most valuable company in the world, even ahead of Apple for a short time.

[noiseboyuk]

Matt from NI speaks... https://www.native-instruments.com/foru ... st-1887475

[TabSel]

innovation died with Schmitt leaving NI 2011.
Wonder how NI survived nearly a decade since.

Funnily, they are the biggest player in the business, just like in 2011.

Not that this is a exception, people always want to talk down Microsoft as well. And then they become the most valuable company in the world, even ahead of Apple for a short time.

However, NI at least lost ME as a customer since abandoning Kore. It’s just a business giving a shit about sustainability.

[midierror]

absolute PISS TAKE. Thanks NI!

[Baum]

Actually, no. Just happened to be the moment I decided to create an account. Was thinking about it earlier, in the Genesis Pro-thread. Good thing I decided not to: I would apparently be a troll for life on this forum had it happened.

Edit: commented on a post since deleted. Please disregard.

[chk071]

innovation died with Schmitt leaving NI 2011.
Wonder how NI survived nearly a decade since.

Funnily, they are the biggest player in the business, just like in 2011.

Not that this is a exception, people always want to talk down Microsoft as well. And then they become the most valuable company in the world, even ahead of Apple for a short time.

However, NI at least lost ME as a customer since abandoning Kore.

Fair enough. And the right decision, if you felt unhappy with the situation.

[chk071]

nvmd

[Calenberger]

Yes, certain devs can do whatever they do: they are praised. Other devs can do whatever they do: they are condemned. If this is so called crowd intelligence I would vote for something else.

[Aloysius]

We can discuss this here without going through support actually. Sorry guys if I'm a little late to answer.

I feel we may need to offer a bit more clarification on the article we shared and I've mentioned this to the team.

For the announcement itself, It's not something we decided to do lightly and I can guarantee that we spent a lot of time looking at all aspects of this (from a legal or ethical point of view as well). We have kept many of our older products operational and compatible with evolving operating systems and changes in our own ecosystem. At this point the effort required to keep mechanisms for products that have been conceived and implemented more than ten years ago has already impeded our path towards more modern modes of delivery and use. For example, Catalina introduced a new level of complexity and multiplied issues with our activation processes. There was also growing concerns in regards to Service Center maintenance and security which needed to be addressed.

In regards to the EULA, I wouldn't be able to detail the what and why from a legal perspective but keep in mind that the products are still useable as they are. I can get some feedback from the legal team if you need but it's fair to say that if this was done then they already studied the topic.

"why you have chosen to spend time and money actively withdrawing a product's authorisation and denying access to your customers' purchases?"

We are not spending time and money to withdraw products but are simply at a point where we can no longer support older products. This is coming from a technical perspective and we really need to focus our attention on modern applications and recent products (being from our portfolio but also from the partners you see listed). It's probably also worth mentioning that we reached out to all partners involved and they all have ended the life of these products which means they would also probably not put further effort into bringing compatibility and replaced it with newer versions.

"Further, can you explain how I can trust your company to continue to honour the licences for any of the many other products NI products I own?"

I'm not sure what you own exactly but that is what we are also trying to address here. We need modern applications and activation mechanism to make sure the product you own will not become obsolete with a new OS for instance. Service Center has been discontinued years ago already and with the recent changes we have seen in modern OS, we really need to shift our focus to better serve the more recent product you may have.

Hope this helps clarify a few points.

[Aloysius]

Just to be completely honest here, I'm still trying to get more information about this topic and so there might some elements that are to be specified.
For instance, I would also need a better understanding of NA activation mechanism but so far I understood that this libraries cannot be activated on 10.15 and so there is probably some level of limitation moving forward.

Regarding the EULA, this is again something I really don't have much to add atm but I will get more information from the legal team. I do understand that a legal perspective might be a little bit disappointing and not showing good faith though.

I also understand the implication and the effect this announcement had so far and believe me we are still discussing every aspect of it at the moment.

I will keep gathering more information and fuelling the conversation internally but wanted to start the conversation so you guys don't think we are leaving you in the dark.

[imrae]

Responses in this thread have been fairly consistent in saying that people don't expect endless updates for the software functionality. What they resent is a regression on already-working platforms. This statement really seems to conflate those two scenarios.

[Teksonik]

Yes, certain devs can do whatever they do: they are praised. Other devs can do whatever they do: they are condemned. If this is so called crowd intelligence I would vote for something else.

Both Praise and Condemnation are earned. "Whatever they do" defines which a developer gets.

Ever see u-he condemned ? I wonder why ? Perhaps "whatever they do" is not worthy of condemnation ?

If you make an unpopular decision there will be blow back. I'm sure Native Instruments can handle that blow back but apparently their fans can not........